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running with no limits? [message #30315] Wed, 21 May 2008 02:04 Go to next message
Steve Wray is currently offline  Steve Wray
Messages: 18
Registered: August 2007
Junior Member
From: openvz.org
Hi there,

I have a server running OpenVZ with several VMs running on it.

At the moment I have to specify various limits to each VM configuration 
and, when they hit their limits strange things can happen.

Ideally I'd let them all have full access to all the resources available 
on the physical server. They can fight it out among themselves if they 
want to compete for the resources. Most of these VMs are quiescent and 
not actually doing much at all most of the time anyway.

I've not been able to figure out how to configure OpenVZ like this 
though. Is it something I have to set in each VM config file? Or is it a 
server-wide thing?

Any ideas?

Thanks!
Re: running with no limits? [message #31768 is a reply to message #30315] Wed, 09 July 2008 03:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Steve Wray is currently offline  Steve Wray
Messages: 18
Registered: August 2007
Junior Member
From: openvz.org
No answers? Its been a while...

We have a bunch of openvz VMs, nothing 'in production'. The host has 4G 
of RAM. I want all the VMs to have access to 4G of RAM and all the 
sockets and other stuff that they may need at any time; I don't have 
time to carefuly tune the parameters of all of them to just what they 
need and no more.

I don't mind or care that they are over-committed I just want them to 
have max resources.

Thanks

Steve Wray wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> I have a server running OpenVZ with several VMs running on it.
> 
> At the moment I have to specify various limits to each VM configuration 
> and, when they hit their limits strange things can happen.
> 
> Ideally I'd let them all have full access to all the resources available 
> on the physical server. They can fight it out among themselves if they 
> want to compete for the resources. Most of these VMs are quiescent and 
> not actually doing much at all most of the time anyway.
> 
> I've not been able to figure out how to configure OpenVZ like this 
> though. Is it something I have to set in each VM config file? Or is it a 
> server-wide thing?
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks!
Re: running with no limits? [message #31771 is a reply to message #31768] Wed, 09 July 2008 06:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kirill Korotaev is currently offline  Kirill Korotaev
Messages: 137
Registered: January 2006
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From: openvz.org
You just need to set maximum values to barrier/limits and VM will be essentially uinlimited.
Check /proc/user_beancounters to see how host VM is limited with "unlimited" values (i.e. highest possible
limit value).

3 notes:
1. max limit is different on x32 and x64 machines
2. both barrier and limit must be set to these values.
3. in such a configuration if a global memory shortage happens out-of-memory
   killer kills some app as in native Linux system.

Thanks,
Kirill

Steve Wray wrote:
> No answers? Its been a while...
> 
> We have a bunch of openvz VMs, nothing 'in production'. The host has 4G
> of RAM. I want all the VMs to have access to 4G of RAM and all the
> sockets and other stuff that they may need at any time; I don't have
> time to carefuly tune the parameters of all of them to just what they
> need and no more.
> 
> I don't mind or care that they are over-committed I just want them to
> have max resources.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Steve Wray wrote:
>> Hi there,
>>
>> I have a server running OpenVZ with several VMs running on it.
>>
>> At the moment I have to specify various limits to each VM
>> configuration and, when they hit their limits strange things can happen.
>>
>> Ideally I'd let them all have full access to all the resources
>> available on the physical server. They can fight it out among
>> themselves if they want to compete for the resources. Most of these
>> VMs are quiescent and not actually doing much at all most of the time
>> anyway.
>>
>> I've not been able to figure out how to configure OpenVZ like this
>> though. Is it something I have to set in each VM config file? Or is it
>> a server-wide thing?
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> Thanks!
Re: running with no limits? [message #31772 is a reply to message #31768] Wed, 09 July 2008 07:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Benoit Branciard is currently offline  Benoit Branciard
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Registered: January 2008
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From: openvz.org
Steve Wray a écrit :
> No answers? Its been a while...
> 
> We have a bunch of openvz VMs, nothing 'in production'. The host has 4G 
> of RAM. I want all the VMs to have access to 4G of RAM and all the 
> sockets and other stuff that they may need at any time; I don't have 
> time to carefuly tune the parameters of all of them to just what they 
> need and no more.
> 
> I don't mind or care that they are over-committed I just want them to 
> have max resources.
> 

vzsplit -n 1 -f max-limits

then for each container NNN:
vzctl set NNN --applyconfig max-limits --save

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Re: running with no limits? [message #31773 is a reply to message #31771] Wed, 09 July 2008 07:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
kir is currently offline  kir
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From: openvz.org
Let me suggest yet another way -- use config generated by vzsplit 1. 
You'll have something very close to "unlimited" but without deficiency 
#3 pointed to by Kirill.

Kirill Korotaev wrote:
> You just need to set maximum values to barrier/limits and VM will be essentially uinlimited.
> Check /proc/user_beancounters to see how host VM is limited with "unlimited" values (i.e. highest possible
> limit value).
>
> 3 notes:
> 1. max limit is different on x32 and x64 machines
> 2. both barrier and limit must be set to these values.
> 3. in such a configuration if a global memory shortage happens out-of-memory
>    killer kills some app as in native Linux system.
>
> Thanks,
> Kirill
>
> Steve Wray wrote:
>   
>> No answers? Its been a while...
>>
>> We have a bunch of openvz VMs, nothing 'in production'. The host has 4G
>> of RAM. I want all the VMs to have access to 4G of RAM and all the
>> sockets and other stuff that they may need at any time; I don't have
>> time to carefuly tune the parameters of all of them to just what they
>> need and no more.
>>
>> I don't mind or care that they are over-committed I just want them to
>> have max resources.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Steve Wray wrote:
>>     
>>> Hi there,
>>>
>>> I have a server running OpenVZ with several VMs running on it.
>>>
>>> At the moment I have to specify various limits to each VM
>>> configuration and, when they hit their limits strange things can happen.
>>>
>>> Ideally I'd let them all have full access to all the resources
>>> available on the physical server. They can fight it out among
>>> themselves if they want to compete for the resources. Most of these
>>> VMs are quiescent and not actually doing much at all most of the time
>>> anyway.
>>>
>>> I've not been able to figure out how to configure OpenVZ like this
>>> though. Is it something I have to set in each VM config file? Or is it
>>> a server-wide thing?
>>>
>>> Any ideas?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
Re: running with no limits? [message #31782 is a reply to message #31772] Wed, 09 July 2008 22:08 Go to previous message
Steve Wray is currently offline  Steve Wray
Messages: 18
Registered: August 2007
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From: openvz.org
Benoit Branciard wrote:
> Steve Wray a écrit :
>> No answers? Its been a while...
>>
>> We have a bunch of openvz VMs, nothing 'in production'. The host has 
>> 4G of RAM. I want all the VMs to have access to 4G of RAM and all the 
>> sockets and other stuff that they may need at any time; I don't have 
>> time to carefuly tune the parameters of all of them to just what they 
>> need and no more.
>>
>> I don't mind or care that they are over-committed I just want them to 
>> have max resources.
>>
> 
> vzsplit -n 1 -f max-limits
> 
> then for each container NNN:
> vzctl set NNN --applyconfig max-limits --save


Fantastic, thanks guys.

The thing is that almost all of the time almost all of these VMs will be 
unused. But when they are used they can use a lot of resources.

However, stopping and starting them as they are needed isn't an option. 
I need to have them all running at all times.

Unfortunately, the applications running on them can behave quite 
mysteriously when things like tcpsndbuf hit a limit.

And I've seen some very very strange behavior out of applications when 
these limits get hit... its been truly baffling sometimes!
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