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Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) [message #6365 is a reply to message #6325]

Thu, 14 September 2006 23:42

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On Thu, 2006-09-14 at 11:53 +0400, Pavel Emelianov wrote:

<snip>

> > What if I have 40 containers each with 2% guarantee ? what do we do
> > then ? and many other different combinations (what I gave was not the
> > _only_ scenario).
> >
> Then you need to solve a set of 40 equations. This sounds weird, but
> don't afraid - sets like these are solved lightly.

extrapolate that to a varying # of permutations and real time changes in
the system workload. Won't it be complex ?

Wouldn't it be a lot simpler if we have the guarantee support instead ?
Why you do not like guarantee ? :)

<snip>

> >> Then how do you make sure that memory WILL be available when the group needs
> >> it without limiting the others in a proper way?
> >>
> >
> > You could limit others only if you _know_ somebody is not getting what
> > they are supposed to get (based on guarantee).
> >
> I don't understand your idea. Limit does _not_ imply anything - it's
> just a limit.

I didn't mean "limit" as defined in BC. I meant it in the generic sense.
IOW, if we have to provide guarantees then it would limit other RGs from
getting that (amount of guaranteed) resource.

> You may limit anything to anyone w/o bothering the consequences.
> Guarantee implies that the resource you guarantee will be available and
> this "will be" is something not that easy.
>
> So I repeat my question - how can you be sure that these X megabytes you
> guarantee to some group won't be used by others so that you won't be able
> to reclaim them?

It depends on how the memory controller is implemented. It could be
implemented in different ways:
- reclamation path will _not_ free pages belonging to a RG that is
below its guarantee.
- allocation from a "over guarantee" RG can succeed iff there is
memory after satisfying all guarantees (or will free pages from the
requesting RG before it will succeed).
- ...

BTW, my point is to have guarantees for _all_ resources not just memory.

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		[PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: dev on Tue, 05 September 2006 14:59
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		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH 5/13] BC: user interface (syscalls) By: Pavel Emelianov on Wed, 06 September 2006 08:29
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH 5/13] BC: user interface (syscalls) By: Balbir Singh on Wed, 06 September 2006 08:57
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH 5/13] BC: user interface (syscalls) By: Pavel Emelianov on Wed, 06 September 2006 10:42
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH 5/13] BC: user interface (syscalls) By: Balbir Singh on Wed, 06 September 2006 13:23
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH 5/13] BC: user interface (syscalls) By: Balbir Singh on Wed, 06 September 2006 13:45
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH 5/13] BC: user interface (syscalls) By: dev on Wed, 06 September 2006 14:20
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		Re: [PATCH 7/13] BC: kernel memory (marks) By: Cedric Le Goater on Wed, 06 September 2006 14:19
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		Re: [PATCH 9/13] BC: locked pages (charge hooks) By: Nick Piggin on Wed, 06 September 2006 03:43
		Re: [PATCH 9/13] BC: locked pages (charge hooks) By: Pavel Emelianov on Wed, 06 September 2006 08:45
		Re: [PATCH 9/13] BC: locked pages (charge hooks) By: Nick Piggin on Wed, 06 September 2006 09:41
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH 9/13] BC: locked pages (charge hooks) By: dev on Wed, 06 September 2006 14:16
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		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH 11/13] BC: vmrss (preparations) By: Balbir Singh on Thu, 07 September 2006 16:28
		[PATCH 12/13] BC: vmrss (core) By: dev on Tue, 05 September 2006 15:28
		[PATCH 13/13] BC: vmrss (charges) By: dev on Tue, 05 September 2006 15:29
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Balbir Singh on Tue, 05 September 2006 16:53
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Pavel Emelianov on Wed, 06 September 2006 08:34
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: dev on Wed, 06 September 2006 13:04
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Balbir Singh on Wed, 06 September 2006 19:17
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Wed, 06 September 2006 22:06
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Balbir Singh on Thu, 07 September 2006 03:08
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Pavel Emelianov on Fri, 08 September 2006 07:33
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Dave Hansen on Fri, 08 September 2006 15:43
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Balbir Singh on Fri, 08 September 2006 18:26
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Pavel Emelianov on Mon, 11 September 2006 06:56
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Balbir Singh on Mon, 11 September 2006 07:54
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Pavel Emelianov on Mon, 11 September 2006 08:13
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Balbir Singh on Mon, 11 September 2006 08:19
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Pavel Emelianov on Tue, 12 September 2006 10:40
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Balbir Singh on Tue, 12 September 2006 12:01
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Pavel Emelianov on Wed, 13 September 2006 13:39
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Pavel Emelianov on Tue, 12 September 2006 10:39
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Srivatsa Vaddagiri on Mon, 11 September 2006 10:21
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Pavel Emelianov on Tue, 12 September 2006 10:35
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Mon, 11 September 2006 18:49
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Pavel Emelianov on Tue, 12 September 2006 10:48
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Tue, 12 September 2006 23:58
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Pavel Emelianov on Wed, 13 September 2006 08:06
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Srivatsa Vaddagiri on Wed, 13 September 2006 12:15
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Pavel Emelianov on Wed, 13 September 2006 13:35
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Wed, 13 September 2006 22:31
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Pavel Emelianov on Thu, 14 September 2006 07:53
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Balbir Singh on Thu, 14 September 2006 08:06
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Pavel Emelianov on Thu, 14 September 2006 13:02
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Fri, 15 September 2006 00:02
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Pavel Emelianov on Fri, 15 September 2006 07:21
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: dev on Fri, 15 September 2006 08:46
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Mon, 18 September 2006 23:51
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Thu, 14 September 2006 23:42
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Pavel Emelianov on Fri, 15 September 2006 07:15
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: dev on Fri, 15 September 2006 08:51
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Pavel Emelianov on Fri, 15 September 2006 11:15
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Balbir Singh on Mon, 18 September 2006 08:25
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Pavel Emelianov on Mon, 18 September 2006 08:56
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Balbir Singh on Mon, 18 September 2006 11:20
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Pavel Emelianov on Mon, 18 September 2006 11:32
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Tue, 19 September 2006 00:05
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Pavel Emelianov on Tue, 19 September 2006 08:04
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Balbir Singh on Mon, 18 September 2006 11:27
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Pavel Emelianov on Mon, 18 September 2006 12:37
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Tue, 19 September 2006 00:08
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Pavel Emelianov on Tue, 19 September 2006 08:06
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Mon, 18 September 2006 23:48
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Mon, 11 September 2006 18:44
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: dev on Fri, 15 September 2006 08:53
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Mon, 18 September 2006 23:57
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Fri, 08 September 2006 19:23
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		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Rohit Seth on Mon, 11 September 2006 23:58
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Balbir Singh on Tue, 12 September 2006 09:53
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Tue, 12 September 2006 23:54
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Rohit Seth on Wed, 13 September 2006 00:39
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Wed, 13 September 2006 01:10
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Rohit Seth on Wed, 13 September 2006 01:25
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		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Thu, 14 September 2006 23:13
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		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Wed, 13 September 2006 00:02
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Rohit Seth on Wed, 13 September 2006 00:43
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Wed, 13 September 2006 01:13
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Wed, 06 September 2006 21:47
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Dave Hansen on Fri, 08 September 2006 15:33
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		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Wed, 06 September 2006 21:54
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Pavel Emelianov on Thu, 07 September 2006 07:29
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Thu, 07 September 2006 19:16
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Pavel Emelianov on Fri, 08 September 2006 07:22
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Fri, 08 September 2006 19:07
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Pavel Emelianov on Mon, 11 September 2006 07:02
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Srivatsa Vaddagiri on Mon, 11 September 2006 13:04
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Pavel Emelianov on Tue, 12 September 2006 10:24
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