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Re: Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) [message #6207 is a reply to message #6202]

Tue, 12 September 2006 00:28

Rohit Seth
Messages: 101
Registered: August 2006

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On Mon, 2006-09-11 at 23:48 +0400, Kir Kolyshkin wrote:
> Rohit Seth wrote:
> > On Mon, 2006-09-11 at 11:25 -0700, Chandra Seetharaman wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 2006-09-08 at 14:43 -0700, Rohit Seth wrote:
> >> <snip>
> >>
> >>
> >>>>> Guarantee may be one of
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1. container will be able to touch that number of pages
> >>>>> 2. container will be able to sys_mmap() that number of pages
> >>>>> 3. container will not be killed unless it touches that number of pages
> >>>>> 4. anything else
> >>>>>
> >>>> I would say (1) with slight modification
> >>>> "container will be able to touch _at least_ that number of pages"
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> Does this scheme support running of tasks outside of containers on the
> >>> same platform where you have tasks running inside containers. If so
> >>> then how will you ensure processes running out side any container will
> >>> not leave less than the total guaranteed memory to different containers.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> There could be a default container which doesn't have any guarantee or
> >> limit.
> >>
> >
> > First, I think it is critical that we allow processes to run outside of
> > any container (unless we know for sure that the penalty of running a
> > process inside a container is very very minimal).
> >
> (1) there is a set of processes running outside of any container. In
> OpenVZ we call that "VE0" or "host system", probably Chandra meant that
> by "default container".
> (2) The host system is used to manage the containers (start/stop/set
> parameters/create/destroy).
> (3) the penalty of running a process inside a container is indeed very low.
>
> > And anything running outside a container should be limited by default
> > Linux settings.
> >
> (4) due to (2), it is not recommended to run anything but the tasks used
> to manage the containers -- otherwise your gonna have security problems

Just like you want to run those special threads outside of any
container, some sysadmin might be interested in running different
processes that they don't want to bind to any container limits.

I think it is critical that you provide the capability to have tasks
running outside any container. Whether sysadmin wants to do it or not
for a system is a different thing.

-rohit

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		[PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: dev on Tue, 05 September 2006 14:59
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		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH 5/13] BC: user interface (syscalls) By: Balbir Singh on Tue, 05 September 2006 16:04
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH 5/13] BC: user interface (syscalls) By: Pavel Emelianov on Wed, 06 September 2006 08:29
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH 5/13] BC: user interface (syscalls) By: Balbir Singh on Wed, 06 September 2006 08:57
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH 5/13] BC: user interface (syscalls) By: Pavel Emelianov on Wed, 06 September 2006 10:42
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH 5/13] BC: user interface (syscalls) By: Balbir Singh on Wed, 06 September 2006 13:23
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH 5/13] BC: user interface (syscalls) By: Balbir Singh on Wed, 06 September 2006 13:45
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH 5/13] BC: user interface (syscalls) By: dev on Wed, 06 September 2006 14:20
		[PATCH 6/13] BC: kernel memory (core) By: dev on Tue, 05 September 2006 15:21
		[PATCH 7/13] BC: kernel memory (marks) By: dev on Tue, 05 September 2006 15:23
		Re: [PATCH 7/13] BC: kernel memory (marks) By: Cedric Le Goater on Wed, 06 September 2006 14:19
		[PATCH 8/13] BC: locked pages (core) By: dev on Tue, 05 September 2006 15:24
		[PATCH 9/13] BC: locked pages (charge hooks) By: dev on Tue, 05 September 2006 15:25
		Re: [PATCH 9/13] BC: locked pages (charge hooks) By: Nick Piggin on Wed, 06 September 2006 03:43
		Re: [PATCH 9/13] BC: locked pages (charge hooks) By: Pavel Emelianov on Wed, 06 September 2006 08:45
		Re: [PATCH 9/13] BC: locked pages (charge hooks) By: Nick Piggin on Wed, 06 September 2006 09:41
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH 9/13] BC: locked pages (charge hooks) By: dev on Wed, 06 September 2006 14:16
		[PATCH 10/13] BC: privvm pages By: dev on Tue, 05 September 2006 15:26
		[PATCH 11/13] BC: vmrss (preparations) By: dev on Tue, 05 September 2006 15:28
		Re: [PATCH 11/13] BC: vmrss (preparations) By: Cedric Le Goater on Tue, 05 September 2006 22:09
		Re: [PATCH 11/13] BC: vmrss (preparations) By: dev on Wed, 06 September 2006 13:56
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH 11/13] BC: vmrss (preparations) By: Balbir Singh on Thu, 07 September 2006 16:28
		[PATCH 12/13] BC: vmrss (core) By: dev on Tue, 05 September 2006 15:28
		[PATCH 13/13] BC: vmrss (charges) By: dev on Tue, 05 September 2006 15:29
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Balbir Singh on Tue, 05 September 2006 16:53
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Pavel Emelianov on Wed, 06 September 2006 08:34
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: dev on Wed, 06 September 2006 13:04
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Balbir Singh on Wed, 06 September 2006 19:17
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Wed, 06 September 2006 22:06
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Balbir Singh on Thu, 07 September 2006 03:08
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Pavel Emelianov on Fri, 08 September 2006 07:33
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Dave Hansen on Fri, 08 September 2006 15:43
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Balbir Singh on Fri, 08 September 2006 18:26
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Pavel Emelianov on Mon, 11 September 2006 06:56
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Balbir Singh on Mon, 11 September 2006 07:54
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Pavel Emelianov on Mon, 11 September 2006 08:13
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Balbir Singh on Mon, 11 September 2006 08:19
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Pavel Emelianov on Tue, 12 September 2006 10:40
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Balbir Singh on Tue, 12 September 2006 12:01
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Pavel Emelianov on Wed, 13 September 2006 13:39
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Pavel Emelianov on Tue, 12 September 2006 10:39
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Srivatsa Vaddagiri on Mon, 11 September 2006 10:21
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Pavel Emelianov on Tue, 12 September 2006 10:35
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Mon, 11 September 2006 18:49
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Pavel Emelianov on Tue, 12 September 2006 10:48
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Tue, 12 September 2006 23:58
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Pavel Emelianov on Wed, 13 September 2006 08:06
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Srivatsa Vaddagiri on Wed, 13 September 2006 12:15
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Pavel Emelianov on Wed, 13 September 2006 13:35
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Wed, 13 September 2006 22:31
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Pavel Emelianov on Thu, 14 September 2006 07:53
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Balbir Singh on Thu, 14 September 2006 08:06
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Pavel Emelianov on Thu, 14 September 2006 13:02
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Fri, 15 September 2006 00:02
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Pavel Emelianov on Fri, 15 September 2006 07:21
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: dev on Fri, 15 September 2006 08:46
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Mon, 18 September 2006 23:51
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Thu, 14 September 2006 23:42
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Pavel Emelianov on Fri, 15 September 2006 07:15
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: dev on Fri, 15 September 2006 08:51
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Pavel Emelianov on Fri, 15 September 2006 11:15
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Balbir Singh on Mon, 18 September 2006 08:25
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Pavel Emelianov on Mon, 18 September 2006 08:56
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Balbir Singh on Mon, 18 September 2006 11:20
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Pavel Emelianov on Mon, 18 September 2006 11:32
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Tue, 19 September 2006 00:05
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Pavel Emelianov on Tue, 19 September 2006 08:04
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Balbir Singh on Mon, 18 September 2006 11:27
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Pavel Emelianov on Mon, 18 September 2006 12:37
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Tue, 19 September 2006 00:08
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Pavel Emelianov on Tue, 19 September 2006 08:06
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Mon, 18 September 2006 23:48
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Mon, 11 September 2006 18:44
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: dev on Fri, 15 September 2006 08:53
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Mon, 18 September 2006 23:57
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Fri, 08 September 2006 19:23
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Rohit Seth on Fri, 08 September 2006 21:43
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Mon, 11 September 2006 18:25
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Rohit Seth on Mon, 11 September 2006 19:10
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Mon, 11 September 2006 19:42
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Rohit Seth on Mon, 11 September 2006 23:58
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Balbir Singh on Tue, 12 September 2006 09:53
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Tue, 12 September 2006 23:54
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Rohit Seth on Wed, 13 September 2006 00:39
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Wed, 13 September 2006 01:10
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Rohit Seth on Wed, 13 September 2006 01:25
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Srivatsa Vaddagiri on Wed, 13 September 2006 04:41
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Wed, 13 September 2006 22:20
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Rohit Seth on Thu, 14 September 2006 01:22
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Thu, 14 September 2006 23:13
		Re: Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: kir on Mon, 11 September 2006 19:47
		Re: Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Rohit Seth on Tue, 12 September 2006 00:28
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Srivatsa Vaddagiri on Tue, 12 September 2006 10:44
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Rohit Seth on Tue, 12 September 2006 17:22
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Srivatsa Vaddagiri on Tue, 12 September 2006 17:40
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Wed, 13 September 2006 00:02
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Rohit Seth on Wed, 13 September 2006 00:43
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Wed, 13 September 2006 01:13
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Wed, 06 September 2006 21:47
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Dave Hansen on Fri, 08 September 2006 15:33
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Dave Hansen on Tue, 05 September 2006 17:46
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Balbir Singh on Tue, 05 September 2006 18:28
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Rohit Seth on Wed, 06 September 2006 00:17
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Dave Hansen on Fri, 08 September 2006 15:30
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Rohit Seth on Fri, 08 September 2006 17:10
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Shailabh Nagar on Fri, 08 September 2006 17:26
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: dev on Wed, 06 September 2006 13:54
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Wed, 06 September 2006 21:54
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Pavel Emelianov on Thu, 07 September 2006 07:29
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Thu, 07 September 2006 19:16
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Pavel Emelianov on Fri, 08 September 2006 07:22
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Fri, 08 September 2006 19:07
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Pavel Emelianov on Mon, 11 September 2006 07:02
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Srivatsa Vaddagiri on Mon, 11 September 2006 13:04
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Pavel Emelianov on Tue, 12 September 2006 10:24
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Srivatsa Vaddagiri on Tue, 12 September 2006 10:29
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Pavel Emelianov on Tue, 12 September 2006 11:06
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Srivatsa Vaddagiri on Tue, 12 September 2006 12:04
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Mon, 11 September 2006 18:47
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Thu, 07 September 2006 19:29
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Pavel Emelianov on Fri, 08 September 2006 07:26
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Fri, 08 September 2006 19:10

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