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Re: Re: BC: resource beancounters (v2) [message #5709 is a reply to message #5707]

Mon, 28 August 2006 17:40

kir
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Rohit Seth wrote:
> On Sat, 2006-08-26 at 17:37 +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
>
>> Ar Gwe, 2006-08-25 am 19:15 -0700, ysgrifennodd Rohit Seth:
>>
>>> Yes, sharing of pages across different containers/managers will be a
>>> problem. Why not just disallow that scenario (that is what fake nodes
>>> proposal would also end up doing).
>>>
>> Because it destroys the entire point of using containers instead of
>> something like Xen - which is sharing. Also at the point I am using
>> beancounters per user I don't want glibc per use, libX11 per use glib
>> per use gtk per user etc..
>>
>>
>>
>
> I'm not saying per use glibc etc. That will indeed be useless and bring
> it to virtualization world. Just like fake node, one should be allowed
> to use pages that are already in (for example) page cache- so that you
> don't end up duplicating all shared stuff. But as far as charging is
> concerned, charge it to container who either got the page in page cache
> OR if FS based semantics exist then charge it to the container where the
> file belongs. What I was suggesting is to not charge a page to
> different counters.
>

Consider the following simple scenario: there are 50 containers
(numbered, say, 1 to 50) all sharing a single installation of Fedora
Core 5. They all run sshd, apache, syslogd, crond and some other stuff
like that. This is actually quite a real scenario.

In the world that you propose the container which was unlucky to start
first (probably the one with ID of either 1 or 50) will be charged for
all the memory, and all the
others will have most of their memory for free. And in such a world
per-container memory accounting or limiting is just not possible.

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		[PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v2) By: dev on Wed, 23 August 2006 10:44
		[PATCH 1/6] BC: kconfig By: dev on Wed, 23 August 2006 10:59
		Re: [PATCH 1/6] BC: kconfig By: Alexey Dobriyan on Wed, 23 August 2006 13:04
		Re: [PATCH 1/6] BC: kconfig By: Dave Hansen on Wed, 23 August 2006 22:04
		Re: [PATCH 1/6] BC: kconfig By: Matt Helsley on Wed, 23 August 2006 22:13
		Re: [PATCH 1/6] BC: kconfig By: dev on Fri, 25 August 2006 11:27
		Re: [PATCH 1/6] BC: kconfig By: dev on Fri, 25 August 2006 11:31
		Re: [PATCH 1/6] BC: kconfig By: rdunlap on Wed, 23 August 2006 22:29
		Re: [PATCH 1/6] BC: kconfig By: Matt Helsley on Wed, 23 August 2006 22:27
		Re: [PATCH 1/6] BC: kconfig By: Chandra Seetharaman on Thu, 24 August 2006 00:23
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH 1/6] BC: kconfig By: dev on Thu, 24 August 2006 11:47
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH 1/6] BC: kconfig By: Matt Helsley on Thu, 24 August 2006 22:23
		[PATCH 2/6] BC: beancounters core (API) By: dev on Wed, 23 August 2006 11:00
		Re: [PATCH 2/6] BC: beancounters core (API) By: Andi Kleen on Wed, 23 August 2006 11:37
		Re: [PATCH 2/6] BC: beancounters core (API) By: dev on Wed, 23 August 2006 13:25
		Re: [PATCH 2/6] BC: beancounters core (API) By: Andi Kleen on Wed, 23 August 2006 13:48
		Re: [PATCH 2/6] BC: beancounters core (API) By: dev on Wed, 23 August 2006 13:46
		Re: [PATCH 2/6] BC: beancounters core (API) By: Alexey Dobriyan on Wed, 23 August 2006 13:53
		Re: [PATCH 2/6] BC: beancounters core (API) By: Matt Helsley on Wed, 23 August 2006 22:05
		Re: [PATCH 2/6] BC: beancounters core (API) By: Alexey Dobriyan on Wed, 23 August 2006 13:30
		Re: [PATCH 2/6] BC: beancounters core (API) By: Andrew Morton on Wed, 23 August 2006 16:42
		Re: [PATCH 2/6] BC: beancounters core (API) By: Oleg Nesterov on Thu, 24 August 2006 11:09
		Re: [PATCH 2/6] BC: beancounters core (API) By: dev on Thu, 24 August 2006 12:03
		Re: [PATCH 2/6] BC: beancounters core (API) By: Andrew Morton on Thu, 24 August 2006 15:00
		Re: [PATCH 2/6] BC: beancounters core (API) By: dev on Fri, 25 August 2006 10:51
		Re: [PATCH 2/6] BC: beancounters core (API) By: Oleg Nesterov on Thu, 24 August 2006 17:09
		[PATCH 3/6] BC: context inheriting and changing By: dev on Wed, 23 August 2006 11:02
		[PATCH 4/6] BC: user interface (syscalls) By: dev on Wed, 23 August 2006 11:03
		Re: [PATCH 4/6] BC: user interface (syscalls) By: dev on Wed, 23 August 2006 13:40
		Re: [PATCH 4/6] BC: user interface (syscalls) By: Andrew Morton on Wed, 23 August 2006 16:50
		Re: [PATCH 4/6] BC: user interface (syscalls) By: Alan Cox on Wed, 23 August 2006 17:08
		Re: [PATCH 4/6] BC: user interface (syscalls) By: Andrew Morton on Thu, 24 August 2006 04:35
		Re: [PATCH 4/6] BC: user interface (syscalls) By: Alan Cox on Thu, 24 August 2006 10:42
		Re: [PATCH 4/6] BC: user interface (syscalls) By: Alexey Dobriyan on Thu, 24 August 2006 13:08
		Re: [PATCH 4/6] BC: user interface (syscalls) By: dev on Fri, 25 August 2006 10:54
		Re: [PATCH 4/6] BC: user interface (syscalls) By: Alexey Dobriyan on Wed, 23 August 2006 13:41
		Re: [PATCH 4/6] BC: user interface (syscalls) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Thu, 24 August 2006 00:30
		[PATCH 5/6] BC: kernel memory accounting (core) By: dev on Wed, 23 August 2006 11:04
		Re: [PATCH 5/6] BC: kernel memory accounting (core) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Thu, 24 August 2006 00:36
		Re: [PATCH 5/6] BC: kernel memory accounting (core) By: Oleg Nesterov on Thu, 24 August 2006 16:59
		Re: [PATCH 5/6] BC: kernel memory accounting (core) By: dev on Fri, 25 August 2006 10:06
		[PATCH 6/6] BC: kernel memory accounting (marks) By: dev on Wed, 23 August 2006 11:05
		Re: [PATCH 6/6] BC: kernel memory accounting (marks) By: Dave Hansen on Wed, 23 August 2006 18:30
		Re: [PATCH 6/6] BC: kernel memory accounting (marks) By: dev on Tue, 29 August 2006 09:52
		Re: [PATCH 6/6] BC: kernel memory accounting (marks) By: Dave Hansen on Tue, 29 August 2006 15:48
		Re: [PATCH 6/6] BC: kernel memory accounting (marks) By: Dave Hansen on Wed, 23 August 2006 23:03
		Re: [PATCH 6/6] BC: kernel memory accounting (marks) By: Geert Uytterhoeven on Thu, 24 August 2006 09:30
		Re: [PATCH 6/6] BC: kernel memory accounting (marks) By: Dave Hansen on Thu, 24 August 2006 15:52
		Re: [PATCH 6/6] BC: kernel memory accounting (marks) By: dev on Tue, 29 August 2006 14:34
		Re: [PATCH 6/6] BC: kernel memory accounting (marks) By: dev on Tue, 29 August 2006 15:53
		Re: [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v2) By: Andrew Morton on Wed, 23 August 2006 17:05
		Re: [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v2) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Thu, 24 August 2006 00:17
		Re: [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v2) By: dev on Fri, 25 August 2006 11:47
		Re: [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v2) By: Andrew Morton on Fri, 25 August 2006 14:30
		Re: [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v2) By: Andi Kleen on Fri, 25 August 2006 14:48
		Re: [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v2) By: dev on Mon, 28 August 2006 08:27
		Re: [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v2) By: Nick Piggin on Fri, 25 August 2006 15:14
		Re: BC: resource beancounters (v2) By: Andrey Savochkin on Fri, 25 August 2006 16:30
		Re: BC: resource beancounters (v2) By: Andrew Morton on Fri, 25 August 2006 17:50
		Re: BC: resource beancounters (v2) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Fri, 25 August 2006 19:00
		Re: BC: resource beancounters (v2) By: Rohit Seth on Sat, 26 August 2006 02:15
		Re: BC: resource beancounters (v2) By: Alan Cox on Sat, 26 August 2006 16:16
		Re: BC: resource beancounters (v2) By: Rohit Seth on Mon, 28 August 2006 16:48
		Re: Re: BC: resource beancounters (v2) By: kir on Mon, 28 August 2006 17:40
		Re: Re: BC: resource beancounters (v2) By: Rohit Seth on Mon, 28 August 2006 22:28
		Re: Re: BC: resource beancounters (v2) By: Alan Cox on Tue, 29 August 2006 10:15
		Re: Re: BC: resource beancounters (v2) By: Rohit Seth on Tue, 29 August 2006 17:30
		Re: Re: BC: resource beancounters (v2) By: Alan Cox on Tue, 29 August 2006 18:46
		Re: Re: BC: resource beancounters (v2) By: Rohit Seth on Tue, 29 August 2006 19:15
		Re: [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v2) By: dev on Tue, 29 August 2006 15:33
		Re: [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v2) By: Balbir Singh on Tue, 29 August 2006 17:08
		Re: [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v2) By: Cedric Le Goater on Wed, 23 August 2006 21:00
		Re: [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v2) By: Jan Engelhardt on Thu, 24 August 2006 05:52
		Re: [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v2) By: Alan Cox on Thu, 24 August 2006 10:38
		Re: [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v2) By: Alan Cox on Fri, 25 August 2006 15:36
		Re: [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v2) By: Nick Piggin on Sat, 26 August 2006 03:55

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