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Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH] UBC: user resource beancounters [message #5665 is a reply to message #5651]

Fri, 25 August 2006 18:47

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On Fri, 2006-08-25 at 15:12 +0400, Kirill Korotaev wrote:
<snip>
> >
> >
> > Like I said earlier, there is _no_ other way to get the list of tasks
> > belonging to a resource group.
> >
> >
> >>Commands like ps and top will show appropriate container number for each
> >>task.
> >
> >
> > There is _no_ container number in the non-container environment (or it
> > will be same for _all_ tasks).
>
> Chandra, virtual container number is essentially the same as user id
> in non-container environment. UBC were desgined for _users_ first.
> Containers were just the first environment which started to use it widely.

I am not denying any of the above :)

I think my original point is getting lost in the discussion, which is,
there should be way (for the sysadmin) to get a list of tasks belonging
to a resource group (in a non-container environment).
>
> And I really disagree when you say that non-container usecase is
> a superset of container usecase. I believe it is vice versa, since

I meant _only_ w.r.t resource management. My earlier replies were
pointing quite a few of those. here are a few:

- ability for the sysadmin to move a task to a resource group.
- assignment of task to a resource group should be transparent to the
app.
- a resource group could exist with no tasks associated.

Containers can work without these features (and as OpenVZ proves it does
work). But, for a QoS type of resource management framework these are
mandatory.

> in container usecase you have a _full_ environment with root user and need
> more resources to be taken into account.

Support for different resources is a different topic. Users (of the two
models) can decide to control as many (or as few) resources as they
want. What I am talking here is about the ability of the framework.

>
> Thanks,
> Kirill
>
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		[RFC][PATCH] UBC: user resource beancounters By: dev on Wed, 16 August 2006 15:23
		[RFC][PATCH 1/7] UBC: kconfig By: dev on Wed, 16 August 2006 15:34
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH 1/7] UBC: kconfig By: Chandra Seetharaman on Fri, 18 August 2006 19:57
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/7] UBC: kconfig By: Adrian Bunk on Fri, 18 August 2006 21:14
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/7] UBC: kconfig By: Pavel Machek on Fri, 25 August 2006 15:12
		[RFC][PATCH 2/7] UBC: core (structures, API) By: dev on Wed, 16 August 2006 15:35
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/7] UBC: core (structures, API) By: Alan Cox on Wed, 16 August 2006 16:38
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/7] UBC: core (structures, API) By: dev on Thu, 17 August 2006 11:40
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/7] UBC: core (structures, API) By: Andrew Morton on Wed, 16 August 2006 18:18
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/7] UBC: core (structures, API) By: dev on Thu, 17 August 2006 11:52
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/7] UBC: core (structures, API) By: Greg KH on Wed, 16 August 2006 17:15
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/7] UBC: core (structures, API) By: dev on Thu, 17 August 2006 11:43
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/7] UBC: core (structures, API) By: Greg KH on Thu, 17 August 2006 12:14
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH 2/7] UBC: core (structures, API) By: Dave Hansen on Thu, 17 August 2006 14:32
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH 2/7] UBC: core (structures, API) By: dev on Fri, 18 August 2006 12:34
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/7] UBC: core (structures, API) By: Rohit Seth on Wed, 16 August 2006 18:11
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/7] UBC: core (structures, API) By: dev on Thu, 17 August 2006 11:52
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/7] UBC: core (structures, API) By: Rohit Seth on Thu, 17 August 2006 16:55
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/7] UBC: core (structures, API) By: dev on Fri, 18 August 2006 11:13
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/7] UBC: core (structures, API) By: Rohit Seth on Fri, 18 August 2006 17:51
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/7] UBC: core (structures, API) By: Andrew Morton on Fri, 18 August 2006 05:31
		Re: [PATCH 2/7] UBC: core (structures, API) By: Andrey Savochkin on Fri, 18 August 2006 07:35
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH 2/7] UBC: core (structures, API) By: Matt Helsley on Fri, 18 August 2006 08:26
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH 2/7] UBC: core (structures, API) By: dev on Fri, 18 August 2006 11:50
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/7] UBC: core (structures, API) By: Alan Cox on Fri, 18 August 2006 15:39
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH 2/7] UBC: core (structures, API) By: Srivatsa Vaddagiri on Thu, 17 August 2006 11:09
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH 2/7] UBC: core (structures, API) By: dev on Thu, 17 August 2006 14:00
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH 2/7] UBC: core (structures, API) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Thu, 17 August 2006 18:59
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH 2/7] UBC: core (structures, API) By: Matt Helsley on Fri, 18 August 2006 01:58
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH 2/7] UBC: core (structures, API) By: Balbir Singh on Sun, 20 August 2006 05:01
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH 2/7] UBC: core (structures, API) By: Balbir Singh on Sun, 20 August 2006 04:58
		[RFC][PATCH 3/7] UBC: ub context and inheritance By: dev on Wed, 16 August 2006 15:36
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 3/7] UBC: ub context and inheritance By: Alan Cox on Wed, 16 August 2006 16:31
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH 3/7] UBC: ub context and inheritance By: Srivatsa Vaddagiri on Thu, 17 August 2006 11:09
		Re: Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH 3/7] UBC: ub context and inheritance By: xemul on Thu, 17 August 2006 13:21
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH 3/7] UBC: ub context and inheritance By: Matt Helsley on Fri, 18 August 2006 02:42
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH 3/7] UBC: ub context and inheritance By: dev on Fri, 18 August 2006 09:21
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH 3/7] UBC: ub context and inheritance By: Matt Helsley on Sat, 19 August 2006 02:19
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH 3/7] UBC: ub context and inheritance By: Chandra Seetharaman on Fri, 18 August 2006 20:03
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH 3/7] UBC: ub context and inheritance By: dev on Mon, 21 August 2006 10:30
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH 3/7] UBC: ub context and inheritance By: Chandra Seetharaman on Mon, 21 August 2006 20:48
		[RFC][PATCH 4/7] UBC: syscalls (user interface) By: dev on Wed, 16 August 2006 15:37
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 4/7] UBC: syscalls (user interface) By: Alan Cox on Wed, 16 August 2006 16:32
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 4/7] UBC: syscalls (user interface) By: Alan Cox on Wed, 16 August 2006 18:44
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 4/7] UBC: syscalls (user interface) By: Rohit Seth on Wed, 16 August 2006 19:22
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 4/7] UBC: syscalls (user interface) By: dev on Thu, 17 August 2006 12:11
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 4/7] UBC: syscalls (user interface) By: Andrew Morton on Thu, 17 August 2006 15:40
		Re: [PATCH 4/7] UBC: syscalls (user interface) By: Andrey Savochkin on Fri, 18 August 2006 08:08
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH 4/7] UBC: syscalls (user interface) By: Dave Hansen on Fri, 18 August 2006 14:45
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH 4/7] UBC: syscalls (user interface) By: Magnus Damm on Mon, 21 August 2006 02:47
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH 4/7] UBC: syscalls (user interface) By: Rohit Seth on Tue, 22 August 2006 01:16
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH 4/7] UBC: syscalls (user interface) By: Magnus Damm on Tue, 22 August 2006 03:58
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH 4/7] UBC: syscalls (user interface) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Tue, 22 August 2006 18:34
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH 4/7] UBC: syscalls (user interface) By: Rohit Seth on Thu, 24 August 2006 01:20
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 4/7] UBC: syscalls (user interface) By: dev on Fri, 18 August 2006 11:03
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 4/7] UBC: syscalls (user interface) By: Rohit Seth on Thu, 17 August 2006 17:08
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 4/7] UBC: syscalls (user interface) By: Greg KH on Wed, 16 August 2006 17:17
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 4/7] UBC: syscalls (user interface) By: dev on Thu, 17 August 2006 12:00
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 4/7] UBC: syscalls (user interface) By: Rohit Seth on Wed, 16 August 2006 18:17
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 4/7] UBC: syscalls (user interface) By: dev on Thu, 17 August 2006 12:03
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 4/7] UBC: syscalls (user interface) By: Rohit Seth on Thu, 17 August 2006 17:05
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH 4/7] UBC: syscalls (user interface) By: Srivatsa Vaddagiri on Thu, 17 August 2006 11:09
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH 4/7] UBC: syscalls (user interface) By: dev on Thu, 17 August 2006 14:03
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH 4/7] UBC: syscalls (user interface) By: Srivatsa Vaddagiri on Thu, 17 August 2006 16:19
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH 4/7] UBC: syscalls (user interface) By: Matt Helsley on Fri, 18 August 2006 02:31
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH 4/7] UBC: syscalls (user interface) By: dev on Fri, 18 August 2006 11:43
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH 4/7] UBC: syscalls (user interface) By: Matt Helsley on Sat, 19 August 2006 02:43
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH 4/7] UBC: syscalls (user interface) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Fri, 18 August 2006 20:13
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 4/7] UBC: syscalls (user interface) By: Arnd Bergmann on Fri, 18 August 2006 11:40
		[RFC][PATCH 5/7] UBC: kernel memory accounting (core) By: dev on Wed, 16 August 2006 15:39
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 5/7] UBC: kernel memory accounting (core) By: Alan Cox on Wed, 16 August 2006 16:35
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 5/7] UBC: kernel memory accounting (core) By: dev on Thu, 17 August 2006 13:45
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 5/7] UBC: kernel memory accounting (core) By: Dave Hansen on Wed, 16 August 2006 18:47
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 5/7] UBC: kernel memory accounting (core) By: Rohit Seth on Wed, 16 August 2006 19:15
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 5/7] UBC: kernel memory accounting (core) By: Alan Cox on Thu, 17 August 2006 00:02
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 5/7] UBC: kernel memory accounting (core) By: Rohit Seth on Thu, 17 August 2006 16:36
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH 5/7] UBC: kernel memory accounting (core) By: dev on Fri, 18 August 2006 08:43
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 5/7] UBC: kernel memory accounting (core) By: dev on Thu, 17 August 2006 13:33
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 5/7] UBC: kernel memory accounting (core) By: Rohit Seth on Thu, 17 August 2006 17:13
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH 5/7] UBC: kernel memory accounting (core) By: dev on Fri, 18 August 2006 08:47
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 5/7] UBC: kernel memory accounting (core) By: dev on Thu, 17 August 2006 13:29
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 5/7] UBC: kernel memory accounting (core) By: Dave Hansen on Thu, 17 August 2006 14:36
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH 5/7] UBC: kernel memory accounting (core) By: dev on Fri, 18 August 2006 08:12
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH 5/7] UBC: kernel memory accounting (core) By: Dave Hansen on Fri, 18 August 2006 14:43
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH 5/7] UBC: kernel memory accounting (core) By: dev on Mon, 21 August 2006 08:56
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 5/7] UBC: kernel memory accounting (core) By: Rohit Seth on Wed, 16 August 2006 18:24
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 5/7] UBC: kernel memory accounting (core) By: dev on Thu, 17 August 2006 13:25
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH 5/7] UBC: kernel memory accounting (core) By: Dave Hansen on Thu, 17 August 2006 14:38
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH 5/7] UBC: kernel memory accounting (core) By: dev on Fri, 18 August 2006 09:29
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH 5/7] UBC: kernel memory accounting (core) By: Dave Hansen on Fri, 18 August 2006 14:58
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH 5/7] UBC: kernel memory accounting (core) By: dev on Mon, 21 August 2006 10:38
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH 5/7] UBC: kernel memory accounting (core) By: Dave Hansen on Mon, 21 August 2006 15:10
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH 5/7] UBC: kernel memory accounting (core) By: Dave Hansen on Fri, 18 August 2006 15:06
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH 5/7] UBC: kernel memory accounting (core) By: dev on Mon, 21 August 2006 12:36
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 5/7] UBC: kernel memory accounting (core) By: Rohit Seth on Thu, 17 August 2006 17:02
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 5/7] UBC: kernel memory accounting (core) By: dev on Fri, 18 August 2006 09:36
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 5/7] UBC: kernel memory accounting (core) By: Rohit Seth on Fri, 18 August 2006 16:55
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 5/7] UBC: kernel memory accounting (core) By: dev on Mon, 21 August 2006 10:41
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 5/7] UBC: kernel memory accounting (core) By: Rohit Seth on Tue, 22 August 2006 01:23
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH 5/7] UBC: kernel memory accounting (core) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Fri, 18 August 2006 20:26
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH 5/7] UBC: kernel memory accounting (core) By: dev on Mon, 21 August 2006 10:48
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH 5/7] UBC: kernel memory accounting (core) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Mon, 21 August 2006 20:55
		[RFC][PATCH 6/7] UBC: kernel memory acconting (mark objects) By: dev on Wed, 16 August 2006 15:40
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 6/7] UBC: kernel memory acconting (mark objects) By: Alan Cox on Wed, 16 August 2006 16:36
		[RFC][PATCH 7/7] UBC: proc interface By: dev on Wed, 16 August 2006 15:42
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 7/7] UBC: proc interface By: Greg KH on Wed, 16 August 2006 17:13
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 7/7] UBC: proc interface By: dev on Thu, 17 August 2006 13:41
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 7/7] UBC: proc interface By: Greg KH on Thu, 17 August 2006 15:40
		Re: Re: [RFC][PATCH 7/7] UBC: proc interface By: kir on Thu, 17 August 2006 16:12
		Re: [RFC][PATCH] UBC: user resource beancounters By: Alan Cox on Wed, 16 August 2006 19:06
		Re: [RFC][PATCH] UBC: user resource beancounters By: Rohit Seth on Wed, 16 August 2006 18:53
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH] UBC: user resource beancounters By: Chandra Seetharaman on Thu, 17 August 2006 00:15
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH] UBC: user resource beancounters By: Srivatsa Vaddagiri on Thu, 17 August 2006 11:02
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH] UBC: user resource beancounters By: dev on Thu, 17 August 2006 13:53
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH] UBC: user resource beancounters By: Chandra Seetharaman on Thu, 17 August 2006 19:55
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH] UBC: user resource beancounters By: Chandra Seetharaman on Fri, 18 August 2006 19:39
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH] UBC: user resource beancounters By: dev on Mon, 21 August 2006 13:21
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH] UBC: user resource beancounters By: Chandra Seetharaman on Mon, 21 August 2006 21:45
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH] UBC: user resource beancounters By: Alan Cox on Mon, 21 August 2006 22:01
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH] UBC: user resource beancounters By: Chandra Seetharaman on Mon, 21 August 2006 22:44
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH] UBC: user resource beancounters By: Rohit Seth on Tue, 22 August 2006 01:45
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH] UBC: user resource beancounters By: Alan Cox on Tue, 22 August 2006 09:42
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH] UBC: user resource beancounters By: Arjan van de Ven on Tue, 22 August 2006 09:57
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH] UBC: user resource beancounters By: Alan Cox on Tue, 22 August 2006 10:54
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH] UBC: user resource beancounters By: Rohit Seth on Thu, 24 August 2006 01:31
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH] UBC: user resource beancounters By: Chandra Seetharaman on Tue, 22 August 2006 18:55
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH] UBC: user resource beancounters By: Rohit Seth on Thu, 24 August 2006 01:44
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH] UBC: user resource beancounters By: Chandra Seetharaman on Thu, 24 August 2006 02:04
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH] UBC: user resource beancounters By: Alan Cox on Thu, 24 August 2006 10:49
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH] UBC: user resource beancounters By: Chandra Seetharaman on Thu, 24 August 2006 23:48
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH] UBC: user resource beancounters By: Kyle Moffett on Thu, 24 August 2006 23:55
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH] UBC: user resource beancounters By: Chandra Seetharaman on Fri, 25 August 2006 18:21
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH] UBC: user resource beancounters By: Alan Cox on Fri, 25 August 2006 20:25
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH] UBC: user resource beancounters By: Chandra Seetharaman on Fri, 25 August 2006 21:37
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH] UBC: user resource beancounters By: Alan Cox on Fri, 25 August 2006 22:30
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH] UBC: user resource beancounters By: Chandra Seetharaman on Fri, 25 August 2006 22:59
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH] UBC: user resource beancounters By: Rohit Seth on Thu, 24 August 2006 17:27
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH] UBC: user resource beancounters By: Chandra Seetharaman on Thu, 24 August 2006 23:52
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH] UBC: user resource beancounters By: dev on Fri, 25 August 2006 11:10
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH] UBC: user resource beancounters By: Chandra Seetharaman on Fri, 25 August 2006 18:47
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH] UBC: user resource beancounters By: Alan Cox on Fri, 25 August 2006 20:32
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH] UBC: user resource beancounters By: Chandra Seetharaman on Fri, 25 August 2006 22:23
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH] UBC: user resource beancounters By: Alan Cox on Fri, 25 August 2006 22:51
		Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH] UBC: user resource beancounters By: Chandra Seetharaman on Fri, 25 August 2006 23:00

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