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Re: BC: resource beancounters (v2) [message #5663 is a reply to message #5661]

Fri, 25 August 2006 17:50

Andrew Morton
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Registered: December 2005

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On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 20:30:26 +0400
Andrey Savochkin <saw@sw.ru> wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 25, 2006 at 07:30:03AM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> >
> > D) Virtual scan of mm's in the over-limit container
> >
> > E) Modify existing physical scanner to be able to skip pages which
> > belong to not-over-limit containers.
>
> I've actually tried (E), but it didn't work as I wished.
>
> It didn't handle well shared pages.
> Then, in my experiments such modified scanner was unable to regulate
> quality-of-service. When I ran 2 over-the-limit containers, they worked
> equally slow regardless of their limits and work set size.
> That is, I didn't observe a smooth transition "under limit, maximum
> performance" to "slightly over limit, a bit reduced performance" to
> "significantly over limit, poor performance". Neither did I see any fairness
> in how containers got penalized for exceeding their limits.
>
> My explanation of what I observed is that
> - since filesystem caches play a huge role in performance, page scanner will
> be very limited in controlling container's performance if caches
> stay shared between containers,
> - in the absence of decent disk I/O manager, stalls due to swapin/swapout
> are more influenced by disk subsystem than by page scanner policy.
> So in fact modified page scanner provides control over memory usage only as
> "stay under limits or die", and doesn't show many advantages over (B) or (C).
> At the same time, skipping pages visibly penalizes "good citizens", not only
> in disk bandwidth but in CPU overhead as well.
>
> So I settled for (A)-(C) for now.
> But it certainly would be interesting to hear if someone else makes such
> experiments.
>

Makes sense. If one is looking for good machine partitioning then a shared
disk is obviously a great contention point. To address that we'd need to
be able to say "container A swaps to /dev/sda1 and container B swaps to
/dev/sdb1". But the swap system at present can't do that.

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		[PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v2) By: dev on Wed, 23 August 2006 10:44
		[PATCH 1/6] BC: kconfig By: dev on Wed, 23 August 2006 10:59
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		Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH 1/6] BC: kconfig By: Matt Helsley on Thu, 24 August 2006 22:23
		[PATCH 2/6] BC: beancounters core (API) By: dev on Wed, 23 August 2006 11:00
		Re: [PATCH 2/6] BC: beancounters core (API) By: Andi Kleen on Wed, 23 August 2006 11:37
		Re: [PATCH 2/6] BC: beancounters core (API) By: dev on Wed, 23 August 2006 13:25
		Re: [PATCH 2/6] BC: beancounters core (API) By: Andi Kleen on Wed, 23 August 2006 13:48
		Re: [PATCH 2/6] BC: beancounters core (API) By: dev on Wed, 23 August 2006 13:46
		Re: [PATCH 2/6] BC: beancounters core (API) By: Alexey Dobriyan on Wed, 23 August 2006 13:53
		Re: [PATCH 2/6] BC: beancounters core (API) By: Matt Helsley on Wed, 23 August 2006 22:05
		Re: [PATCH 2/6] BC: beancounters core (API) By: Alexey Dobriyan on Wed, 23 August 2006 13:30
		Re: [PATCH 2/6] BC: beancounters core (API) By: Andrew Morton on Wed, 23 August 2006 16:42
		Re: [PATCH 2/6] BC: beancounters core (API) By: Oleg Nesterov on Thu, 24 August 2006 11:09
		Re: [PATCH 2/6] BC: beancounters core (API) By: dev on Thu, 24 August 2006 12:03
		Re: [PATCH 2/6] BC: beancounters core (API) By: Andrew Morton on Thu, 24 August 2006 15:00
		Re: [PATCH 2/6] BC: beancounters core (API) By: dev on Fri, 25 August 2006 10:51
		Re: [PATCH 2/6] BC: beancounters core (API) By: Oleg Nesterov on Thu, 24 August 2006 17:09
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		Re: [PATCH 4/6] BC: user interface (syscalls) By: Andrew Morton on Wed, 23 August 2006 16:50
		Re: [PATCH 4/6] BC: user interface (syscalls) By: Alan Cox on Wed, 23 August 2006 17:08
		Re: [PATCH 4/6] BC: user interface (syscalls) By: Andrew Morton on Thu, 24 August 2006 04:35
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		Re: [PATCH 4/6] BC: user interface (syscalls) By: dev on Fri, 25 August 2006 10:54
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		Re: [PATCH 4/6] BC: user interface (syscalls) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Thu, 24 August 2006 00:30
		[PATCH 5/6] BC: kernel memory accounting (core) By: dev on Wed, 23 August 2006 11:04
		Re: [PATCH 5/6] BC: kernel memory accounting (core) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Thu, 24 August 2006 00:36
		Re: [PATCH 5/6] BC: kernel memory accounting (core) By: Oleg Nesterov on Thu, 24 August 2006 16:59
		Re: [PATCH 5/6] BC: kernel memory accounting (core) By: dev on Fri, 25 August 2006 10:06
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		Re: [PATCH 6/6] BC: kernel memory accounting (marks) By: Dave Hansen on Tue, 29 August 2006 15:48
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		Re: [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v2) By: Andrew Morton on Wed, 23 August 2006 17:05
		Re: [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v2) By: Chandra Seetharaman on Thu, 24 August 2006 00:17
		Re: [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v2) By: dev on Fri, 25 August 2006 11:47
		Re: [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v2) By: Andrew Morton on Fri, 25 August 2006 14:30
		Re: [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v2) By: Andi Kleen on Fri, 25 August 2006 14:48
		Re: [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v2) By: dev on Mon, 28 August 2006 08:27
		Re: [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v2) By: Nick Piggin on Fri, 25 August 2006 15:14
		Re: BC: resource beancounters (v2) By: Andrey Savochkin on Fri, 25 August 2006 16:30
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		Re: BC: resource beancounters (v2) By: Rohit Seth on Sat, 26 August 2006 02:15
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