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Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure [message #48073 is a reply to message #48072]

Wed, 26 September 2012 20:02

Glauber Costa
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Registered: October 2011

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On 09/26/2012 11:56 PM, Tejun Heo wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 11:46:37PM +0400, Glauber Costa wrote:
>> Besides not being part of cgroup core, and respecting very much both
>> cgroups' and basic sanity properties, kmem is an actual feature that
>> some people want, and some people don't. There is no reason to believe
>> that applications that want will live in the same environment with ones
>> that don't want.
>
> I don't know. It definitely is less crazy than .use_hierarchy but I
> wouldn't say it's an inherently different thing. I mean, what does it
> even mean to have u+k limit on one subtree and not on another branch?
> And we worry about things like what if parent doesn't enable it but
> its chlidren do.
>

It is inherently different. To begin with, it actually contemplates two
use cases. It is not a work around.

The meaning is also very well defined. The meaning of having this
enabled in one subtree and not in other is: Subtree A wants to track
kernel memory. Subtree B does not. It's that, and never more than that.
There is no maybes and no buts, no magic knobs that makes it behave in a
crazy way.

If a children enables it but the parent does not, this does what every
tree does: enable it from that point downwards.

> This is a feature which adds complexity. If the feature is necessary
> and justified, sure. If not, let's please not and let's err on the
> side of conservativeness. We can always add it later but the other
> direction is much harder.
>

I disagree. Having kmem tracking adds complexity. Having to cope with
the use case where we turn it on dynamically to cope with the "user page
only" use case adds complexity. But I see no significant complexity
being added by having it per subtree. Really.

You have the use_hierarchy fiasco in mind, and I do understand that you
are raising the flag and all that.

But think in terms of functionality: This thing here is a lot more
similar to swap than use_hierarchy. Would you argue that memsw should be
per-root ?

The reason why it shouldn't: Some people want to limit memory
consumption all the way to the swap, some people don't. Same with kmem.

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		[PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Glauber Costa on Tue, 18 September 2012 14:04
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Tejun Heo on Fri, 21 September 2012 16:34
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Glauber Costa on Mon, 24 September 2012 08:09
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Michal Hocko on Wed, 26 September 2012 14:03
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Glauber Costa on Wed, 26 September 2012 14:33
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Michal Hocko on Wed, 26 September 2012 16:01
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Glauber Costa on Wed, 26 September 2012 17:34
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Tejun Heo on Wed, 26 September 2012 16:36
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Glauber Costa on Wed, 26 September 2012 17:36
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Tejun Heo on Wed, 26 September 2012 17:44
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Glauber Costa on Wed, 26 September 2012 17:53
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Tejun Heo on Wed, 26 September 2012 18:01
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Glauber Costa on Wed, 26 September 2012 18:56
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Tejun Heo on Wed, 26 September 2012 19:34
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Glauber Costa on Wed, 26 September 2012 19:46
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Tejun Heo on Wed, 26 September 2012 19:56
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Glauber Costa on Wed, 26 September 2012 20:02
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Tejun Heo on Wed, 26 September 2012 20:16
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Glauber Costa on Wed, 26 September 2012 21:24
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Tejun Heo on Wed, 26 September 2012 22:10
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Glauber Costa on Wed, 26 September 2012 22:29
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Tejun Heo on Wed, 26 September 2012 22:42
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Glauber Costa on Wed, 26 September 2012 22:54
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Tejun Heo on Wed, 26 September 2012 23:08
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Glauber Costa on Wed, 26 September 2012 23:20
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Tejun Heo on Wed, 26 September 2012 23:33
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Michal Hocko on Thu, 27 September 2012 12:15
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Glauber Costa on Thu, 27 September 2012 12:20
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Michal Hocko on Thu, 27 September 2012 12:40
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Glauber Costa on Thu, 27 September 2012 12:40
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Michal Hocko on Thu, 27 September 2012 12:54
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Mel Gorman on Thu, 27 September 2012 14:28
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Tejun Heo on Thu, 27 September 2012 14:49
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Glauber Costa on Thu, 27 September 2012 14:57
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Tejun Heo on Thu, 27 September 2012 17:46
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Michal Hocko on Thu, 27 September 2012 17:56
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Glauber Costa on Thu, 27 September 2012 18:45
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Tejun Heo on Sun, 30 September 2012 07:57
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Tejun Heo on Sun, 30 September 2012 08:02
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: James Bottomley on Sun, 30 September 2012 08:56
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Tejun Heo on Sun, 30 September 2012 10:37
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: James Bottomley on Sun, 30 September 2012 11:25
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Tejun Heo on Mon, 01 October 2012 00:57
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Glauber Costa on Mon, 01 October 2012 08:43
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Glauber Costa on Mon, 01 October 2012 08:46
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Tejun Heo on Wed, 03 October 2012 22:59
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Glauber Costa on Mon, 01 October 2012 08:36
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Michal Hocko on Thu, 27 September 2012 12:08
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Glauber Costa on Thu, 27 September 2012 12:11
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Tejun Heo on Thu, 27 September 2012 14:33
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Mel Gorman on Thu, 27 September 2012 14:43
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Tejun Heo on Thu, 27 September 2012 14:58
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Glauber Costa on Thu, 27 September 2012 18:30
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Tejun Heo on Sun, 30 September 2012 08:23
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Glauber Costa on Mon, 01 October 2012 08:45
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Tejun Heo on Wed, 03 October 2012 22:54
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Glauber Costa on Thu, 04 October 2012 11:55
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Tejun Heo on Sat, 06 October 2012 02:19
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Michal Hocko on Thu, 27 September 2012 15:09
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Tejun Heo on Sun, 30 September 2012 08:47
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Michal Hocko on Mon, 01 October 2012 09:27
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Tejun Heo on Wed, 03 October 2012 22:43
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Michal Hocko on Fri, 05 October 2012 13:47
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Johannes Weiner on Wed, 26 September 2012 22:11
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Glauber Costa on Wed, 26 September 2012 22:45

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