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Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure [message #48071 is a reply to message #48069]

Wed, 26 September 2012 19:46

Glauber Costa
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Registered: October 2011

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On 09/26/2012 11:34 PM, Tejun Heo wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 10:56:09PM +0400, Glauber Costa wrote:
>> For me, it is the other way around: it makes perfect sense to have a
>> per-subtree selection of features where it doesn't hurt us, provided it
>> is hierarchical. For the mere fact that not every application is
>> interested in this (Michal is the one that is being so far more vocal
>> about this not being needed in some use cases), and it is perfectly
>> valid to imagine such applications would coexist.
>>
>> So given the flexibility it brings, the real question is, as I said,
>> backwards: what is it necessary to make it a global switch ?
>
> Because it hurts my head and it's better to keep things simple. We're
> planning to retire .use_hierarhcy in sub hierarchies and I'd really
> like to prevent another fiasco like that unless there absolutely is no
> way around it. Flexibility where necessary is fine but let's please
> try our best to avoid over-designing things. We've been far too good
> at getting lost in flexbility maze. Michal, care to chime in?
>

I would very much like to hear Michal here as well, sure.

But as I said in this very beginning of this, you pretty much know that
I am heavily involved in trying to get rid of use_hierarchy, and by no
means I consider this en pair with that.

use_hierarchy is a hack around a core property of cgroups, the fact that
they are hierarchical. Its mere existence came to be to overcome a
performance limitation.

It puts you in contradictory situation where you have cgroups organized
as directories, and then not satisfied in making this hierarchical
representation be gravely ignored, forces you to use nonsensical terms
like "flat hierarchy", making us grasp at how it is to be a politician
once in our lifetimes.

Besides not being part of cgroup core, and respecting very much both
cgroups' and basic sanity properties, kmem is an actual feature that
some people want, and some people don't. There is no reason to believe
that applications that want will live in the same environment with ones
that don't want.

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		[PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Glauber Costa on Tue, 18 September 2012 14:04
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Tejun Heo on Fri, 21 September 2012 16:34
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Glauber Costa on Mon, 24 September 2012 08:09
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Michal Hocko on Wed, 26 September 2012 14:03
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Glauber Costa on Wed, 26 September 2012 14:33
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Michal Hocko on Wed, 26 September 2012 16:01
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Glauber Costa on Wed, 26 September 2012 17:34
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Tejun Heo on Wed, 26 September 2012 16:36
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Glauber Costa on Wed, 26 September 2012 17:36
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Tejun Heo on Wed, 26 September 2012 17:44
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Glauber Costa on Wed, 26 September 2012 17:53
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Tejun Heo on Wed, 26 September 2012 18:01
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Glauber Costa on Wed, 26 September 2012 18:56
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Tejun Heo on Wed, 26 September 2012 19:34
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Glauber Costa on Wed, 26 September 2012 19:46
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Tejun Heo on Wed, 26 September 2012 19:56
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Glauber Costa on Wed, 26 September 2012 20:02
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Tejun Heo on Wed, 26 September 2012 20:16
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Glauber Costa on Wed, 26 September 2012 21:24
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Tejun Heo on Wed, 26 September 2012 22:10
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Glauber Costa on Wed, 26 September 2012 22:29
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Tejun Heo on Wed, 26 September 2012 22:42
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Glauber Costa on Wed, 26 September 2012 22:54
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Tejun Heo on Wed, 26 September 2012 23:08
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Glauber Costa on Wed, 26 September 2012 23:20
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Tejun Heo on Wed, 26 September 2012 23:33
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Michal Hocko on Thu, 27 September 2012 12:15
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Glauber Costa on Thu, 27 September 2012 12:20
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Michal Hocko on Thu, 27 September 2012 12:40
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Glauber Costa on Thu, 27 September 2012 12:40
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Michal Hocko on Thu, 27 September 2012 12:54
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Mel Gorman on Thu, 27 September 2012 14:28
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Tejun Heo on Thu, 27 September 2012 14:49
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Glauber Costa on Thu, 27 September 2012 14:57
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Tejun Heo on Thu, 27 September 2012 17:46
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Michal Hocko on Thu, 27 September 2012 17:56
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Glauber Costa on Thu, 27 September 2012 18:45
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Tejun Heo on Sun, 30 September 2012 07:57
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Tejun Heo on Sun, 30 September 2012 08:02
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: James Bottomley on Sun, 30 September 2012 08:56
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Tejun Heo on Sun, 30 September 2012 10:37
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: James Bottomley on Sun, 30 September 2012 11:25
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Tejun Heo on Mon, 01 October 2012 00:57
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Glauber Costa on Mon, 01 October 2012 08:43
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Glauber Costa on Mon, 01 October 2012 08:46
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Tejun Heo on Wed, 03 October 2012 22:59
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Glauber Costa on Mon, 01 October 2012 08:36
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Michal Hocko on Thu, 27 September 2012 12:08
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Glauber Costa on Thu, 27 September 2012 12:11
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Tejun Heo on Thu, 27 September 2012 14:33
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Mel Gorman on Thu, 27 September 2012 14:43
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Tejun Heo on Thu, 27 September 2012 14:58
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Glauber Costa on Thu, 27 September 2012 18:30
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Tejun Heo on Sun, 30 September 2012 08:23
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Glauber Costa on Mon, 01 October 2012 08:45
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Tejun Heo on Wed, 03 October 2012 22:54
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Glauber Costa on Thu, 04 October 2012 11:55
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Tejun Heo on Sat, 06 October 2012 02:19
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Michal Hocko on Thu, 27 September 2012 15:09
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Tejun Heo on Sun, 30 September 2012 08:47
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Michal Hocko on Mon, 01 October 2012 09:27
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Tejun Heo on Wed, 03 October 2012 22:43
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Michal Hocko on Fri, 05 October 2012 13:47
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Johannes Weiner on Wed, 26 September 2012 22:11
		Re: [PATCH v3 04/13] kmem accounting basic infrastructure By: Glauber Costa on Wed, 26 September 2012 22:45

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