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Re: User namespaces and keys [message #41886 is a reply to message #41865]

Thu, 24 February 2011 06:56

ebiederm
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Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com> writes:

> On 2/23/2011 12:55 PM, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>> Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com> writes:
>>
>>> I confess that I remain less well educated on namespaces than
>>> I probably should be, but with what I do know it seems that the
>>> relationships between user namespaces and LSMs are bound to be
>>> strained from the beginning. Some LSMs (SELinux and Smack) are
>>> providing similar sandbox capabilities to what you get from user
>>> namespaces, but from different directions and with different
>>> use cases.
>> Casey I won't argue about the possibility of things being strained, but
>> I think if we focus on the semantics and not on the end goal of exactly
>> how the pieces are to be used there can be some reasonable dialog.
>
> I'm sure that there will be cases where they will work together
> like horses in a troika. Making sensible semantics for the interactions
> is key, and it is entirely possible that in some cases a comparison
> of semantics and behaviors will lead an end user to chose either an
> LSM or namespaces over the combination. Just like I expect that even
> when we allow multiple LSMs the SELinux and Smack combination will be
> rare among the sane.

That sounds about right.

Eric

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		userns: targeted capabilities v5 By: serge on Thu, 17 February 2011 15:02
		[PATCH 2/9] security: Make capabilities relative to the user namespace. By: serge on Thu, 17 February 2011 15:03
		Re: [PATCH 2/9] security: Make capabilities relative to the user namespace. By: ebiederm on Fri, 18 February 2011 03:46
		Re: [PATCH 2/9] security: Make capabilities relative to the user namespace. By: Daniel Lezcano on Fri, 18 February 2011 23:44
		Re: [PATCH 2/9] security: Make capabilities relative to the user namespace. By: akpm on Fri, 18 February 2011 23:59
		Re: [PATCH 2/9] security: Make capabilities relative to the user namespace. By: David Howells on Wed, 23 February 2011 12:01
		Re: [PATCH 2/9] security: Make capabilities relative to the user namespace. By: serge on Wed, 23 February 2011 13:43
		Re: [PATCH 2/9] security: Make capabilities relative to the user namespace. By: David Howells on Wed, 23 February 2011 11:40
		Re: [PATCH 2/9] security: Make capabilities relative to the user namespace. By: David Howells on Wed, 23 February 2011 16:59
		[PATCH 9/9] userns: check user namespace for task->file uid equivalence checks By: serge on Thu, 17 February 2011 15:04
		Re: [PATCH 9/9] userns: check user namespace for task->file uid equivalence checks By: ebiederm on Fri, 18 February 2011 01:29
		Re: [PATCH 9/9] userns: check user namespace for task->file uid equivalence checks By: akpm on Fri, 18 February 2011 23:59
		Re: [PATCH 9/9] userns: check user namespace for task->file uid equivalence checks By: serge on Thu, 24 February 2011 03:24
		Re: [PATCH 9/9] userns: check user namespace for task->file uid equivalence checks By: akpm on Thu, 24 February 2011 05:08
		Re: [PATCH 9/9] userns: check user namespace for task->file uid equivalence checks By: Daniel Lezcano on Sat, 19 February 2011 19:22
		[PATCH 7/9] add a user namespace owner of ipc ns By: serge on Thu, 17 February 2011 15:03
		Re: [PATCH 7/9] add a user namespace owner of ipc ns By: ebiederm on Fri, 18 February 2011 03:19
		Re: [PATCH 7/9] add a user namespace owner of ipc ns By: akpm on Fri, 18 February 2011 23:59
		Re: [PATCH 7/9] add a user namespace owner of ipc ns By: Daniel Lezcano on Sat, 19 February 2011 17:57
		[PATCH 1/9] Add a user_namespace as creator/owner of uts_namespace By: serge on Thu, 17 February 2011 15:02
		Re: [PATCH 1/9] Add a user_namespace as creator/owner of uts_namespace By: ebiederm on Fri, 18 February 2011 03:31
		Re: [PATCH 1/9] Add a user_namespace as creator/owner of uts_namespace By: Daniel Lezcano on Fri, 18 February 2011 16:57
		Re: [PATCH 1/9] Add a user_namespace as creator/owner of uts_namespace By: akpm on Fri, 18 February 2011 23:59
		Re: [PATCH 1/9] Add a user_namespace as creator/owner of uts_namespace By: David Howells on Wed, 23 February 2011 17:16
		Re: [PATCH 1/9] Add a user_namespace as creator/owner of uts_namespace By: ebiederm on Wed, 23 February 2011 21:21
		Re: [PATCH 1/9] Add a user_namespace as creator/owner of uts_namespace By: David Howells on Wed, 23 February 2011 23:19
		Re: [PATCH 1/9] Add a user_namespace as creator/owner of uts_namespace By: ebiederm on Wed, 23 February 2011 23:54
		[PATCH 3/9] allow sethostname in a container By: serge on Thu, 17 February 2011 15:03
		Re: [PATCH 3/9] allow sethostname in a container By: ebiederm on Fri, 18 February 2011 03:05
		Re: [PATCH 3/9] allow sethostname in a container By: Daniel Lezcano on Fri, 18 February 2011 23:46
		[PATCH 4/9] allow killing tasks in your own or child userns By: serge on Thu, 17 February 2011 15:03
		Re: [PATCH 4/9] allow killing tasks in your own or child userns By: ebiederm on Fri, 18 February 2011 03:00
		Re: [PATCH 4/9] allow killing tasks in your own or child userns By: akpm on Fri, 18 February 2011 23:59
		Re: [PATCH 4/9] allow killing tasks in your own or child userns By: serge on Thu, 24 February 2011 00:48
		Re: [PATCH 4/9] allow killing tasks in your own or child userns By: akpm on Thu, 24 February 2011 00:54
		Re: [PATCH 4/9] allow killing tasks in your own or child userns By: Daniel Lezcano on Sat, 19 February 2011 10:55
		[PATCH 6/9] user namespaces: convert all capable checks in kernel/sys.c By: serge on Thu, 17 February 2011 15:03
		Re: [PATCH 6/9] user namespaces: convert all capable checks in kernel/sys.c By: ebiederm on Fri, 18 February 2011 01:57
		Re: [PATCH 6/9] user namespaces: convert all capable checks in kernel/sys.c By: akpm on Fri, 18 February 2011 23:59
		Re: [PATCH 6/9] user namespaces: convert all capable checks in kernel/sys.c By: akpm on Sat, 19 February 2011 00:01
		Re: [PATCH 6/9] user namespaces: convert all capable checks in kernel/sys.c By: Daniel Lezcano on Sat, 19 February 2011 17:52
		[PATCH 5/9] Allow ptrace from non-init user namespaces By: serge on Thu, 17 February 2011 15:03
		Re: [PATCH 5/9] Allow ptrace from non-init user namespaces By: ebiederm on Fri, 18 February 2011 02:59
		Re: [PATCH 5/9] Allow ptrace from non-init user namespaces By: serge on Fri, 18 February 2011 04:36
		[PATCH] userns: ptrace: incorporate feedback from Eric By: serge on Thu, 24 February 2011 00:49
		Re: [PATCH] userns: ptrace: incorporate feedback from Eric By: akpm on Thu, 24 February 2011 00:56
		Re: [PATCH] userns: ptrace: incorporate feedback from Eric By: serge on Thu, 24 February 2011 03:15
		Re: [PATCH 5/9] Allow ptrace from non-init user namespaces By: akpm on Fri, 18 February 2011 23:59
		Re: [PATCH 5/9] Allow ptrace from non-init user namespaces By: serge on Thu, 24 February 2011 00:43
		Re: [PATCH 5/9] Allow ptrace from non-init user namespaces By: Daniel Lezcano on Sat, 19 February 2011 17:49
		Re: [PATCH 5/9] Allow ptrace from non-init user namespaces By: David Howells on Wed, 23 February 2011 17:05
		Re: [PATCH 5/9] Allow ptrace from non-init user namespaces By: David Howells on Wed, 23 February 2011 17:11
		[PATCH 8/9] user namespaces: convert several capable() calls By: serge on Thu, 17 February 2011 15:03
		Re: [PATCH 8/9] user namespaces: convert several capable() calls By: ebiederm on Fri, 18 February 2011 01:51
		Re: [PATCH 8/9] user namespaces: convert several capable() calls By: Daniel Lezcano on Sat, 19 February 2011 19:07
		Re: userns: targeted capabilities v5 By: akpm on Fri, 18 February 2011 00:21
		Re: userns: targeted capabilities v5 By: ebiederm on Fri, 18 February 2011 03:53
		Re: userns: targeted capabilities v5 By: serge on Fri, 18 February 2011 04:28
		User namespaces and keys By: David Howells on Wed, 23 February 2011 12:05
		Re: User namespaces and keys By: serge on Wed, 23 February 2011 13:58
		Re: User namespaces and keys By: ebiederm on Wed, 23 February 2011 14:46
		Re: User namespaces and keys By: David Howells on Wed, 23 February 2011 15:06
		Re: User namespaces and keys By: ebiederm on Wed, 23 February 2011 15:45
		Re: User namespaces and keys By: Serge E. Hallyn on Wed, 23 February 2011 15:53
		Re: User namespaces and keys By: Casey Schaufler on Wed, 23 February 2011 19:24
		Re: User namespaces and keys By: ebiederm on Wed, 23 February 2011 20:55
		Re: User namespaces and keys By: Casey Schaufler on Wed, 23 February 2011 21:37
		Re: User namespaces and keys By: ebiederm on Thu, 24 February 2011 06:56

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