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Re: [patch 2/6] [Network namespace] Network device sharing by view [message #4096 is a reply to message #4088]

Wed, 28 June 2006 14:21

ebiederm
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Herbert Poetzl <herbert@13thfloor.at> writes:

> last time I pointed to such 'misguided' apps which
> made assumptions that are not necessarily true
> inside a virtual environment (e.g. pstree, initpid)
> the general? position was that those apps should
> be fixed instead adding a 'workaround'

I agree that if it was solely misguided apps. There would be
no justification.

One of the standard applications interfaces we support is renaming
a network interface. So supporting those misguided apps is a actually
a side effect of supporting one the standard operations on a network interface.

Another way of looking at it is that the names of networking devices like the
names of devices in /dev are a user space policy (today). In the
configuration of the networking stack historically we had those identifiers
hard coded. It isn't until just recently that user space has been able to
cope with dynamically added/removed network devices.

As for initpid and friends. In the context where you are simply isolating
pids and not doing a full pid namespaces it was felt that changing the few
user space applications that care was easier and probably worth doing anyway.

> note: personally I'm absolutely not against virtualizing
> the device names so that each guest can have a separate
> name space for devices, but there should be a way to
> 'see' _and_ 'identify' the interfaces from outside
> (i.e. host or spectator context)

Yep. Basically that interface comes when we fix the sysfs support,
to support per namespace reporting.

Eric

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		Re: [patch 2/6] [Network namespace] Network device sharing by view By: Andrey Savochkin on Tue, 27 June 2006 09:38
		Re: [patch 2/6] [Network namespace] Network device sharing by view By: Daniel Lezcano on Tue, 27 June 2006 11:21
		Re: [patch 2/6] [Network namespace] Network device sharing by view By: ebiederm on Tue, 27 June 2006 11:52
		Re: [patch 2/6] [Network namespace] Network device sharing by view By: Herbert Poetzl on Tue, 27 June 2006 16:02
		Re: [patch 2/6] [Network namespace] Network device sharing by view By: ebiederm on Tue, 27 June 2006 16:47
		Re: [patch 2/6] [Network namespace] Network device sharing by view By: Ben Greear on Tue, 27 June 2006 17:19
		Re: [patch 2/6] [Network namespace] Network device sharing by view By: Herbert Poetzl on Tue, 27 June 2006 22:52
		Re: [patch 2/6] [Network namespace] Network device sharing by view By: Dave Hansen on Tue, 27 June 2006 23:12
		Re: [patch 2/6] [Network namespace] Network device sharing by view By: Alexey Kuznetsov on Tue, 27 June 2006 23:42
		Re: [patch 2/6] [Network namespace] Network device sharing by view By: ebiederm on Wed, 28 June 2006 03:38
		Re: [patch 2/6] [Network namespace] Network device sharing by view By: Herbert Poetzl on Wed, 28 June 2006 13:36
		Re: [patch 2/6] [Network namespace] Network device sharing by view By: ebiederm on Wed, 28 June 2006 14:21
		Re: [patch 2/6] [Network namespace] Network device sharing by view By: jamal on Wed, 28 June 2006 13:53
		Re: [patch 2/6] [Network namespace] Network device sharing by view By: Sam Vilain on Thu, 29 June 2006 21:07
		strict isolation of net interfaces By: Cedric Le Goater on Thu, 29 June 2006 22:14
		Re: strict isolation of net interfaces By: Sam Vilain on Fri, 30 June 2006 02:48
		Re: strict isolation of net interfaces By: Andrey Savochkin on Mon, 03 July 2006 14:53
		Re: strict isolation of net interfaces By: Sam Vilain on Tue, 04 July 2006 03:00
		Re: strict isolation of net interfaces By: Daniel Lezcano on Tue, 04 July 2006 12:29
		Re: strict isolation of net interfaces By: serue on Fri, 30 June 2006 02:39
		Re: strict isolation of net interfaces By: Cedric Le Goater on Fri, 30 June 2006 08:56
		Re: strict isolation of net interfaces By: Herbert Poetzl on Mon, 03 July 2006 13:36
		Re: strict isolation of net interfaces By: Daniel Lezcano on Fri, 30 June 2006 12:23
		Re: strict isolation of net interfaces By: ebiederm on Fri, 30 June 2006 14:20
		Re: strict isolation of net interfaces By: Daniel Lezcano on Fri, 30 June 2006 15:22
		Re: strict isolation of net interfaces By: ebiederm on Fri, 30 June 2006 17:58
		Re: strict isolation of net interfaces By: serue on Fri, 30 June 2006 16:14
		Re: strict isolation of net interfaces By: ebiederm on Fri, 30 June 2006 17:41
		Re: strict isolation of net interfaces By: ebiederm on Fri, 30 June 2006 18:09
		Re: strict isolation of net interfaces By: Sam Vilain on Tue, 04 July 2006 13:13
		Re: strict isolation of net interfaces By: Daniel Lezcano on Tue, 04 July 2006 13:19
		Re: [patch 2/6] [Network namespace] Network device sharing by view By: jamal on Fri, 30 June 2006 00:15
		Re: [patch 2/6] [Network namespace] Network device sharing by view By: Herbert Poetzl on Fri, 30 June 2006 03:35
		Re: [patch 2/6] [Network namespace] Network device sharing by view By: Andrey Savochkin on Fri, 30 June 2006 07:45
		Re: [patch 2/6] [Network namespace] Network device sharing by view By: jamal on Fri, 30 June 2006 13:50
		Re: [patch 2/6] [Network namespace] Network device sharing by view By: Andrey Savochkin on Fri, 30 June 2006 15:01
		Re: [patch 2/6] [Network namespace] Network device sharing by view By: ebiederm on Fri, 30 June 2006 18:22
		Re: [patch 2/6] [Network namespace] Network device sharing by view By: jamal on Fri, 30 June 2006 21:51
		Re: [patch 2/6] [Network namespace] Network device sharing by view By: ebiederm on Sat, 01 July 2006 00:50
		Re: [patch 2/6] [Network namespace] Network device sharing by view By: ebiederm on Wed, 28 June 2006 14:51
		Re: [patch 2/6] [Network namespace] Network device sharing by view By: Alexey Kuznetsov on Tue, 27 June 2006 16:49
		Re: [patch 2/6] [Network namespace] Network device sharing by view By: Andrey Savochkin on Tue, 27 June 2006 11:55

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