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Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps [message #2205 is a reply to message #2197]

Fri, 24 March 2006 18:36

ebiederm
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Kirill Korotaev <dev@sw.ru> writes:

> Eric, Herbert,
>
> I think it is quite clear, that without some agreement on all these
> virtualization issues, we won't be able to commit anything good to
> mainstream. My idea is to gather our efforts to get consensus on most clean
> parts of code first and commit them one by one.
>
> The proposal is quite simple. We have 4 parties in this conversation (maybe
> more?): IBM guys, OpenVZ, VServer and Eric Biederman. We discuss the areas which
> should be considered step by step. Send patches for each area, discuss, come to
> some agreement and all 4 parties Sign-Off the patch. After that it goes to
> Andrew/Linus. Worth trying?

Yes, this sounds like a path forward that has a reasonable chance of
making progress.

> So far, (correct me if I'm wrong) we concluded that some people don't want
> containers as a whole, but want some subsystem namespaces. I suppose for people
> who care about containers only it doesn't matter, so we can proceed with
> namespaces, yeah?

Yes, I think at one point I have seen all of the major parties receptive
to the concept.

> So the most easy namespaces to discuss I see:
> - utsname
> - sys IPC
> - network virtualization
> - netfilter virtualization

The networking is hard simply because the is so very much of it, and it
is being active developed :)

> all these were discussed already somehow and looks like there is no fundamental
> differencies in our approaches (at least OpenVZ and Eric, for sure).

Yes. I think we agree on what the semantics should be for these parts.
Which should avoid the problem with have with the pid namespace.

> Right now, I suggest to concentrate on first 2 namespaces - utsname and
> sysvipc. They are small enough and easy. Lets consider them without sysctl/proc
> issues, as those can be resolved later. I sent the patches for these 2
> namespaces to all of you. I really hope for some _good_ critics, so we could
> work it out quickly.

Sounds like a plan.

Eric

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		[RFC] Virtualization steps By: dev on Fri, 24 March 2006 17:19
		Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: Nick Piggin on Fri, 24 March 2006 17:33
		Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: Dave Hansen on Fri, 24 March 2006 19:25
		Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: ebiederm on Fri, 24 March 2006 19:53
		Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: Bill Davidsen on Tue, 28 March 2006 04:28
		Re: Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: kir on Tue, 28 March 2006 06:45
		Re: Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: Sam Vilain on Tue, 28 March 2006 21:59
		Re: Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: Kir Kolyshkin on Tue, 28 March 2006 22:24
		Re: Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: Sam Vilain on Tue, 28 March 2006 23:28
		Re: Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: Kirill Korotaev on Wed, 29 March 2006 09:13
		Re: Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: Sam Vilain on Wed, 29 March 2006 11:08
		Re: Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: Herbert Poetzl on Wed, 29 March 2006 13:45
		Re: Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: dev on Wed, 29 March 2006 14:47
		Re: Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: Herbert Poetzl on Wed, 29 March 2006 17:29
		Re: Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: Sam Vilain on Wed, 29 March 2006 21:37
		Re: Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: dev on Wed, 12 April 2006 08:22
		Re: Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: Herbert Poetzl on Thu, 13 April 2006 01:05
		Re: Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: Kirill Korotaev on Thu, 13 April 2006 06:45
		Re: Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: Herbert Poetzl on Thu, 13 April 2006 13:42
		Re: Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: Cedric Le Goater on Thu, 13 April 2006 21:33
		Re: Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: Herbert Poetzl on Thu, 13 April 2006 22:45
		Re: Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: dev on Fri, 14 April 2006 07:35
		Re: Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: Cedric Le Goater on Fri, 14 April 2006 09:56
		Re: Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: Herbert Poetzl on Sat, 15 April 2006 19:29
		Re: Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: kir on Thu, 13 April 2006 22:51
		Re: Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: Cedric Le Goater on Fri, 14 April 2006 10:08
		Re: Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: Herbert Poetzl on Sat, 15 April 2006 19:31
		Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: dev on Tue, 28 March 2006 09:00
		Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: Bill Davidsen on Tue, 28 March 2006 14:38
		Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: ebiederm on Tue, 28 March 2006 15:03
		Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: Jeff Dike on Tue, 28 March 2006 17:47
		Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: Sam Vilain on Tue, 28 March 2006 23:07
		Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: Bill Davidsen on Wed, 29 March 2006 20:56
		Re: Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: Jun OKAJIMA on Tue, 28 March 2006 20:26
		Re: Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: kir on Tue, 28 March 2006 20:50
		Re: Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: Jun OKAJIMA on Tue, 28 March 2006 21:35
		Re: Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: ebiederm on Tue, 28 March 2006 21:51
		Re: Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: Sam Vilain on Tue, 28 March 2006 23:17
		Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: dev on Tue, 28 March 2006 09:02
		Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: Nick Piggin on Tue, 28 March 2006 09:15
		Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: Herbert Poetzl on Tue, 28 March 2006 15:35
		Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: ebiederm on Tue, 28 March 2006 16:31
		Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: Nick Piggin on Tue, 28 March 2006 15:53
		Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: Bill Davidsen on Wed, 29 March 2006 21:37
		Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: ebiederm on Tue, 28 March 2006 16:15
		Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: dev on Wed, 29 March 2006 01:39
		Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: Herbert Poetzl on Wed, 29 March 2006 13:47
		Re: Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: TheWiseOne on Tue, 28 March 2006 15:48
		Re: Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: ebiederm on Tue, 28 March 2006 16:42
		Re: Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: TheWiseOne on Tue, 28 March 2006 17:04
		Re: Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: Kirill Korotaev on Wed, 29 March 2006 00:55
		Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: ebiederm on Fri, 24 March 2006 18:36
		Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: Herbert Poetzl on Fri, 24 March 2006 21:19
		Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: ebiederm on Mon, 27 March 2006 18:45
		Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: dev on Tue, 28 March 2006 08:51
		Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: serue on Tue, 28 March 2006 12:53
		Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: Sam Vilain on Tue, 28 March 2006 22:50
		Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: Dave Hansen on Wed, 29 March 2006 20:30
		Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: ebiederm on Wed, 29 March 2006 20:47
		Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: Sam Vilain on Wed, 29 March 2006 22:44
		Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: dev on Thu, 30 March 2006 13:51
		Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps By: ebiederm on Tue, 28 March 2006 21:58

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