Quoting Herbert Poetzl (herbert@13thfloor.at):
> On Wed, Nov 08, 2006 at 03:54:49PM -0600, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> > Quoting Herbert Poetzl (herbert@13thfloor.at):
> > > On Wed, Nov 08, 2006 at 01:34:09PM -0700, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> > > > Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no> writes:
> > > > 
> > > > > On Wed, 2006-11-08 at 01:52 +0100, Herbert Poetzl wrote:
> > > > >> On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 10:18:14PM -0600, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> > > > >> > Cedric has previously sent out a patchset
> > > > >> > (http://lists.osdl.org/pipermail/containers/2006-August/000078.html)
> > > > >> > impplementing the very basics of a user namespace. It ignores
> > > > >> > filesystem access checks, so that uid 502 in one namespace could
> > > > >> > access files belonging to uid 502 in another namespace, if the
> > > > >> > containers were so set up.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > This isn't necessarily bad, since proper container setup should
> > > > >> > prevent problems. However there has been concern, so here is a
> > > > >> > patchset which takes one course in addressing the concern.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > It adds a user namespace pointer to every superblock, and to
> > > > >> > enhances fsuid equivalence checks with a (inode->i_sb->s_uid_ns ==
> > > > >> > current->nsproxy->uid_ns) comparison.
> > > > >> 
> > > > >> I don't consider that a good idea as it means that a filesystem
> > > > >> (or to be precise, a superblock) can only belong to one specific
> > > > >> namespace, which is not very useful for shared setups
> > > > >> 
> > > > >> Linux-VServer provides a mechanism to do per inode (and per
> > > > >> nfs mount) tagging for similar 'security' and more important
> > > > >> for disk space accounting and limiting, which permits to have
> > > > >> different disk limits, quota and access on a shared partition
> > > > >> 
> > > > >> i.e. I do not like it
> > > > >
> > > > > Indeed. I discussed this with Eric at the kernel summit this
> > > > > summer and explained my reservations. As far as I'm concerned,
> > > > > tagging superblocks with a container label is an unacceptable
> > > > > hack since it completely breaks NFS caching semantics.
> > 
> > So from your pov the same objection would apply to tagging vfsmounts,
> > or not?
> > 
> > What is the scenario where the caching is broken? It can't be multiple
> > clients accessing the same NFS export from the same NFS service
> > container, since that would just be an erroneous setup, right?
> > 
> > > > As I recall there are two basic issues.
> > > > 
> > > > Putting the default on the mount structure instead of the
> > > > superblock for filesystems that are not uid namespaces aware
> > > > sounded reasonable, and allowed certain classes of sharing between
> > > > namespaces where they agreed on a subset of the uids (especially
> > > > for read-only data).
> > > 
> > > yes, that is especially interesting for --bind mounts
> > > when you 'know' that you will dedicate a certain 
> > > sub-tree to one context/guest
> > 
> > Ok, so you wouldn't object to a patch which tagged vfsmounts?
> 
> I would not object a vfsmount based tagging iif that would
> still allow untagged vfsmounts where the the 'tagging' can
> be inode based (either uid/gid or xattr or internal)
> 
> > I guess a NULL vfsmnt->user_ns pointer would mean ignore user_ns and
> > only apply uid checks (useful for ro bind mount of /usr into multiple
> > containers).
> 
> might as well work for our purpose, but it brings up another
> question, regarding the 'control' over this feature, because
> natrually it doesn't make too much sense if a context based
> disk limit can be circumvented by unsharing the namespace and
> doing a --bind mount :)

One quick and dirty solution would be to only let the initial namespace
do shared-ns mounts.  Another would be to refuse doing a shared-ns bind
mount based on a non-shared mount.  A third would be to introduce a new
capability letting you do the shared-ns mount.

Any other ideas?

I'm partial to the second, as it's nice and simple, so barring better
suggestions I'll plan on implementing that in the next patchset I send
out.

thanks,
-serge
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