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Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/5] Virtualization/containers: startup [message #1340 is a reply to message #1336]

Tue, 07 February 2006 01:57

ebiederm
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Cedric Le Goater <clg@fr.ibm.com> writes:

> Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>
>> As someone said to me a little bit ago, for migration or checkpointing
>> ultimately you have to capture the entire user/kernel interface if
>> things are going to work properly. Now if we add this facility to
>> the kernel and it is a general purpose facility. It is only a matter
>> of time before we need to deal with nested containers.
>>
>> Not considering the case of having nested containers now is just foolish.
>> Maybe we don't have to implement it yet but not considering it is silly.
>
> That could be restricted. Today, process groups are not nested. Why do you
> think nested containers are inevitable ?

process groups are a completely different kind of beast.
A closer analogy are hierarchical name spaces and mounts.
If we didn't need things like waitpid outside one pid namespace
to wait for a nested namespace they would be complete disjoint
and the implementation would be trivial.

>> As far as I can tell there is a very reasonable chance that when we
>> are complete there is a very reasonable chance that software suspend
>> will just be a special case of migration, done complete in user space.
>
> Being able to sofware suspend one container among many would be a very
> interesting feature to have.

That is what checkpointing. And that is simply the persistent form of
migration.

Eric

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		[RFC][PATCH 1/5] Virtualization/containers: startup By: Kirill Korotaev on Fri, 03 February 2006 16:57
		[RFC][PATCH 2/5] Virtualization/containers: UIDs By: dev on Fri, 03 February 2006 17:01
		[RFC][PATCH 3/5] Virtualization/containers: UTSNAME By: dev on Fri, 03 February 2006 17:04
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 3/5] Virtualization/containers: UTSNAME By: ebiederm on Mon, 06 February 2006 08:21
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 3/5] Virtualization/containers: UTSNAME By: dev on Mon, 06 February 2006 08:51
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/5] Virtualization/containers: startup By: dev on Fri, 03 February 2006 17:22
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/5] Virtualization/containers: startup By: Linus Torvalds on Fri, 03 February 2006 17:49
		Summary: PID virtualization , Containers, Migration By: Hubertus Franke on Fri, 03 February 2006 18:36
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/5] Virtualization/containers: startup By: Rik van Riel on Fri, 03 February 2006 18:36
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/5] Virtualization/containers: startup By: dev on Sun, 05 February 2006 14:52
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/5] Virtualization/containers: startup By: ebiederm on Mon, 06 February 2006 08:39
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/5] Virtualization/containers: startup By: dev on Mon, 06 February 2006 08:58
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/5] Virtualization/containers: startup By: ebiederm on Mon, 06 February 2006 09:19
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/5] Virtualization/containers: startup By: Dave Hansen on Mon, 06 February 2006 16:37
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/5] Virtualization/containers: startup By: ebiederm on Mon, 06 February 2006 18:37
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/5] Virtualization/containers: startup By: dev on Mon, 06 February 2006 19:30
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/5] Virtualization/containers: startup By: Cedric Le Goater on Mon, 06 February 2006 22:40
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/5] Virtualization/containers: startup By: ebiederm on Tue, 07 February 2006 01:57
		swsusp done by migration (was Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/5] Virtualization/containers: startup) By: Pavel Machek on Wed, 08 February 2006 21:54
		Re: swsusp done by migration (was Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/5] Virtualization/containers: startup) By: ebiederm on Thu, 09 February 2006 18:20
		Re: swsusp done by migration (was Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/5] Virtualization/containers: startup) By: Kyle Moffett on Fri, 10 February 2006 00:21
		Re: swsusp done by migration (was Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/5] Virtualization/containers: startup) By: Sam Vilain on Fri, 10 February 2006 04:31
		Re: Re: swsusp done by migration (was Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/5] Virtualization/containers: startup) By: vaverin on Fri, 10 February 2006 06:23
		Re: Re: swsusp done by migration (was Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/5] Virtualization/containers: startup) By: Sam Vilain on Sat, 11 February 2006 02:38
		Re: Re: swsusp done by migration (was Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/5] Virtualization/containers: startup) By: vaverin on Sat, 11 February 2006 17:29
		Re: swsusp done by migration (was Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/5] Virtualization/containers: startup) By: Kyle Moffett on Fri, 10 February 2006 08:29
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/5] Virtualization/containers: startup By: Nigel Cunningham on Fri, 10 February 2006 05:40
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/5] Virtualization/containers: startup By: Dave Hansen on Fri, 03 February 2006 18:34
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/5] Virtualization/containers: startup By: Jeff Garzik on Fri, 03 February 2006 18:55
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/5] Virtualization/containers: startup By: Hubertus Franke on Fri, 03 February 2006 19:18
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/5] Virtualization/containers: startup By: Hubertus Franke on Fri, 03 February 2006 19:56
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/5] Virtualization/containers: startup By: Greg KH on Fri, 03 February 2006 20:19
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/5] Virtualization/containers: startup By: dev on Sun, 05 February 2006 15:10
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/5] Virtualization/containers: startup By: dev on Sun, 05 February 2006 15:05
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/5] Virtualization/containers: startup By: Dave Hansen on Mon, 06 February 2006 16:35
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/5] Virtualization/containers: startup By: dev on Mon, 06 February 2006 16:50
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/5] Virtualization/containers: startup By: Linus Torvalds on Mon, 06 February 2006 16:56
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/5] Virtualization/containers: startup By: dev on Mon, 06 February 2006 17:19
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/5] Virtualization/containers: startup By: Sam Vilain on Tue, 07 February 2006 00:28
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/5] Virtualization/containers: startup By: dev on Tue, 07 February 2006 12:19
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/5] Virtualization/containers: startup By: Sam Vilain on Tue, 07 February 2006 22:21
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/5] Virtualization/containers: startup By: dev on Mon, 20 February 2006 11:54
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/5] Virtualization/containers: startup By: Linus Torvalds on Fri, 03 February 2006 17:15
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/5] Virtualization/containers: startup By: Hubertus Franke on Fri, 03 February 2006 20:34
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/5] Virtualization/containers: startup By: dev on Sun, 05 February 2006 15:11
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/5] Virtualization/containers: startup By: Hubertus Franke on Sun, 05 February 2006 15:39
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/5] Virtualization/containers: startup By: dev on Mon, 06 February 2006 09:06
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/5] Virtualization/containers: startup By: Cedric Le Goater on Mon, 06 February 2006 22:31
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/5] Virtualization/containers: startup By: dev on Tue, 07 February 2006 12:25
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/5] Virtualization/containers: startup By: Benjamin Herrenschmid on Mon, 06 February 2006 00:56
		Re: Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/5] Virtualization/containers: startup By: dev on Mon, 06 February 2006 09:01
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/5] Virtualization/containers: startup By: ebiederm on Mon, 06 February 2006 08:31
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/5] Virtualization/containers: startup By: ebiederm on Fri, 10 February 2006 06:01

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