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Re: [RFC][PATCH] VPIDs: Virtualization of PIDs (OpenVZ approach) [message #1199 is a reply to message #1197]

Fri, 03 February 2006 10:30

Kirill Korotaev
Messages: 137
Registered: January 2006

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> well, IMHO this approach lacks a few things which would
> be very useful in a mainline pid virtualization, which
> pretty much explains why it is relatively small
>
> - hierarchical structure (it's flat, only one level)
PID virtualization has nothing to do with containers and its structure.
This VPID patch can be used both in environments with hierarchical and
flat structure.
I mean that this VPID patch introduces some kind of abstraction, which
means that global unique pid is not always what user sees. Thats it.
And kernel should not be modified in all places where access checks
current->pid == allowed_pid are done. Global unique PIDs are preserved.

> - a proper administration scheme
Can't catch what you mean. What kind of administration do you want for
VPIDs? Do you have one for usual PIDs? It is assigned by kernel and
that's it.

> - a 'view' into the child pid spaces
it has. see proc patch.

> - handling of inter context signalling
How is it related to inter context signalling???
virtualization of signaling is a separate task and has nothing to do
with pids.

> and, more important, it does not deal with the existing
> issues and error cases, where references to pids, tasks,
> task groups and sessions aren't handled properly ...
1. if kernel has some errors, these errors should be fixed.
Virtualization doesn't deal with it, doesn't solve such issues, doesn't
make it worse. So what do you mean?
2. if kernel has some issues and error cases can you point them to me? I
will be glad to fix it. Without pointing to the facts your words sound
like a pure speculation. What issues? What error cases? Where task
groups and sessiona aren't handled properly?

> I think that in real world virtualization scenarios
> with hundreds of namespaces those 'imprecisions' will
> occasionally lead to very strange and random behaviour
> which in many cases will go completely unnoticed.
OpenVZ successfully works with >1000 VPSs on a single server.
What scenarios do you mean?
I see no arguments from your side except for some guesses.

> so I really prefer to cleanup the existing pid handling
> first, to avoid big surprises later ...
I'm not against pid handling cleanups, am I?
This can be done in parallel/before/after.

Kirill

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		[RFC][PATCH] VPIDs: Virtualization of PIDs (OpenVZ approach) By: Kirill Korotaev on Thu, 02 February 2006 15:54
		[RFC][PATCH 1/7] VPIDs: add VPID config option By: dev on Thu, 02 February 2006 16:16
		[RFC][PATCH 2/7] VPIDs: pid/vpid conversions By: dev on Thu, 02 February 2006 16:21
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/7] VPIDs: pid/vpid conversions By: ebiederm on Wed, 08 February 2006 20:29
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/7] VPIDs: pid/vpid conversions By: Alexey Kuznetsov on Wed, 08 February 2006 23:53
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/7] VPIDs: pid/vpid conversions By: ebiederm on Thu, 09 February 2006 00:37
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/7] VPIDs: pid/vpid conversions By: Alexey Kuznetsov on Thu, 09 February 2006 01:11
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/7] VPIDs: pid/vpid conversions By: ebiederm on Thu, 09 February 2006 01:36
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/7] VPIDs: pid/vpid conversions By: serue on Thu, 09 February 2006 02:51
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/7] VPIDs: pid/vpid conversions By: Alexey Kuznetsov on Thu, 09 February 2006 09:55
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/7] VPIDs: pid/vpid conversions By: ebiederm on Thu, 09 February 2006 19:22
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/7] VPIDs: pid/vpid conversions By: dev on Mon, 20 February 2006 14:55
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/7] VPIDs: pid/vpid conversions By: Herbert Poetzl on Mon, 20 February 2006 16:56
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/7] VPIDs: pid/vpid conversions By: dev on Tue, 21 February 2006 16:17
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/7] VPIDs: pid/vpid conversions By: Herbert Poetzl on Tue, 21 February 2006 23:17
		[RFC][PATCH 3/7] VPIDs: fork modifications By: dev on Thu, 02 February 2006 16:24
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 3/7] VPIDs: fork modifications By: Cedric Le Goater on Thu, 02 February 2006 20:08
		[RFC][PATCH 4/7] VPIDs: vpid macros in non-VPID case By: Kirill Korotaev on Thu, 02 February 2006 16:26
		[RFC][PATCH 5/7] VPIDs: vpid/pid conversion in VPID enabled case By: Kirill Korotaev on Thu, 02 February 2006 16:30
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 5/7] VPIDs: vpid/pid conversion in VPID enabled case By: Dave Hansen on Thu, 02 February 2006 17:05
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 5/7] VPIDs: vpid/pid conversion in VPID enabled case By: serue on Thu, 02 February 2006 19:29
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 5/7] VPIDs: vpid/pid conversion in VPID enabled case By: Alexey Kuznetsov on Fri, 03 February 2006 10:52
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 5/7] VPIDs: vpid/pid conversion in VPID enabled case By: Cedric Le Goater on Fri, 03 February 2006 12:48
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 5/7] VPIDs: vpid/pid conversion in VPID enabled case By: Alexey Kuznetsov on Fri, 03 February 2006 14:02
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 5/7] VPIDs: vpid/pid conversion in VPID enabled case By: Dave Hansen on Fri, 03 February 2006 16:25
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 5/7] VPIDs: vpid/pid conversion in VPID enabled case By: Alexey Kuznetsov on Mon, 06 February 2006 11:24
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 5/7] VPIDs: vpid/pid conversion in VPID enabled case By: Cedric Le Goater on Fri, 03 February 2006 17:05
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 5/7] VPIDs: vpid/pid conversion in VPID enabled case By: Alexey Kuznetsov on Mon, 06 February 2006 09:48
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 5/7] VPIDs: vpid/pid conversion in VPID enabled case By: serue on Mon, 06 February 2006 14:51
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 5/7] VPIDs: vpid/pid conversion in VPID enabled case By: Alexey Kuznetsov on Mon, 06 February 2006 15:51
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 5/7] VPIDs: vpid/pid conversion in VPID enabled case By: serue on Mon, 06 February 2006 16:24
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 5/7] VPIDs: vpid/pid conversion in VPID enabled case By: Cedric Le Goater on Tue, 07 February 2006 09:46
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 5/7] VPIDs: vpid/pid conversion in VPID enabled case By: dev on Tue, 07 February 2006 11:42
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 5/7] VPIDs: vpid/pid conversion in VPID enabled case By: Cedric Le Goater on Tue, 07 February 2006 12:59
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 5/7] VPIDs: vpid/pid conversion in VPID enabled case By: Cedric Le Goater on Tue, 07 February 2006 09:15
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 5/7] VPIDs: vpid/pid conversion in VPID enabled case By: dev on Fri, 03 February 2006 14:03
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 5/7] VPIDs: vpid/pid conversion in VPID enabled case By: Cedric Le Goater on Fri, 03 February 2006 15:40
		Re: [RFC][PATCH 5/7] VPIDs: vpid/pid conversion in VPID enabled case By: Kirill Korotaev on Fri, 03 February 2006 16:26
		[RFC][PATCH 6/7] VPIDs: small proc VPID export By: Kirill Korotaev on Thu, 02 February 2006 16:31
		[RFC][PATCH 7/7] VPIDs: required VPS interface for VPIDs By: Kirill Korotaev on Thu, 02 February 2006 16:32
		Re: [RFC][PATCH] VPIDs: Virtualization of PIDs (OpenVZ approach) By: Herbert Poetzl on Fri, 03 February 2006 03:01
		Re: [RFC][PATCH] VPIDs: Virtualization of PIDs (OpenVZ approach) By: Kirill Korotaev on Fri, 03 February 2006 10:30
		Re: [RFC][PATCH] VPIDs: Virtualization of PIDs (OpenVZ approach) By: Alexey Kuznetsov on Fri, 03 February 2006 12:45

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