On Mon, Dec 04, 2006 at 06:19:00PM +0300, Dmitry Mishin wrote:
> On Sunday 03 December 2006 19:00, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> > Ok.  Just a quick summary of where I see the discussion.
> >
> > We all agree that L2 isolation is needed at some point.

> As we all agreed on this, may be it is time to send patches
> one-by-one? For the beggining, I propose to resend Cedric's 
> empty namespace patch as base for others - it is really empty, 
> but necessary in order to move further.
> 
> After this patch and the following net namespace unshare 
> patch will be accepted, 

well, I have neither seen any performance tests showing
that the following is true:

 - no change on network performance without the 
   space enabled
 - no change on network performance on the host
   with the network namespaces enabled
 - no measureable overhead inside the network
   namespace 
 - good scaleability for a larger number of network
   namespaces 

> I could send network devices virtualization patches for
> review and discussion.

that won't hurt ...

best,
Herbert

> What do you think?
> 
> > The approaches discussed for L2 and L3 are sufficiently orthogonal
> > that we can implement then in either order.  You would need to
> > unshare L3 to unshare L2, but if we think of them as two separate
> > namespaces we are likely to be in better shape.
> >
> > The L3 discussion still has the problem that there has not been
> > agreement on all of the semantics yet.
> >
> > More comments after I get some sleep.
> >
> > Eric
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On Monday 04 December 2006 19:43, Herbert Poetzl wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 04, 2006 at 06:19:00PM +0300, Dmitry Mishin wrote:
> > On Sunday 03 December 2006 19:00, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> > > Ok.  Just a quick summary of where I see the discussion.
> > >
> > > We all agree that L2 isolation is needed at some point.
> >
> > As we all agreed on this, may be it is time to send patches
> > one-by-one? For the beggining, I propose to resend Cedric's
> > empty namespace patch as base for others - it is really empty,
> > but necessary in order to move further.
> >
> > After this patch and the following net namespace unshare
> > patch will be accepted,
>
> well, I have neither seen any performance tests showing
> that the following is true:
>
>  - no change on network performance without the
>    space enabled
>  - no change on network performance on the host
>    with the network namespaces enabled
>  - no measureable overhead inside the network
>    namespace
>  - good scaleability for a larger number of network
>    namespaces
These questions are for complete L2 implementation, not for these 2 empty 
patches. If you need some data relating to Andrey's implementation, I'll get 
it. Which test do you accept?
 
>
> > I could send network devices virtualization patches for
> > review and discussion.
>
> that won't hurt ...
>
> best,
> Herbert
>
> > What do you think?
> >
> > > The approaches discussed for L2 and L3 are sufficiently orthogonal
> > > that we can implement then in either order.  You would need to
> > > unshare L3 to unshare L2, but if we think of them as two separate
> > > namespaces we are likely to be in better shape.
> > >
> > > The L3 discussion still has the problem that there has not been
> > > agreement on all of the semantics yet.
> > >
> > > More comments after I get some sleep.
> > >
> > > Eric
> > > -
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> > Dmitry.
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