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Re: [PATCH 1/4] Virtualization/containers: introduction [message #1452 is a reply to message #1451]

Wed, 08 February 2006 21:04

ebiederm
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Dave Hansen <haveblue@us.ibm.com> writes:

> On Wed, 2006-02-08 at 18:36 +0300, Kirill Korotaev wrote:
>> - full isolation can be inconvinient from containers management point of
>> view. You will need to introduce new modified tools such as top/ps/kill
>> and many many others. You won't be able to strace/gdb processes from the
>> host also.
>
> I'd like to put a theory out there: the more isolation we perform, the
> easier checkpointing and migration become to guarantee.
>
> Agree? Disagree?

Agree. But that does not address the reasons OpenVZ and Vserver exist.

> But, full isolation is hard to code.

Disagree. If you limit your self to just changing the code that
translates from names to objects it is a very narrow slice of code,
and there are very few surprises. There is a lot of grunt work involved
but it easy to tell if you got everything and did it correctly.

Other approaches are more adhoc, take short cuts, and seem prone to missing
the corner cases.

> The right approach is very likely
> somewhere in the middle where we require some things to happen
> underneath us. For instance, requiring that the filesystem be made
> consistent if a container is moved across systems.

Possibly. That is very out from where we are at the moment.
Let's get the isolation and see where we are at.

Eric

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		[PATCH 1/4] Virtualization/containers: introduction By: Kirill Korotaev on Mon, 06 February 2006 21:55
		[PATCH 2/4] Virtualization/containers: CONFIG_CONTAINER By: Kirill Korotaev on Mon, 06 February 2006 22:10
		[PATCH 3/4] Virtualization/containers: UID hash By: Kirill Korotaev on Mon, 06 February 2006 22:15
		[PATCH 4/4] Virtualization/containers: uts name By: Kirill Korotaev on Mon, 06 February 2006 22:20
		Re: [PATCH 1/4] Virtualization/containers: introduction By: Dave Hansen on Mon, 06 February 2006 23:00
		Re: [PATCH 1/4] Virtualization/containers: introduction By: dev on Tue, 07 February 2006 12:22
		Re: [PATCH 1/4] Virtualization/containers: introduction By: ebiederm on Tue, 07 February 2006 03:34
		Re: [PATCH 1/4] Virtualization/containers: introduction By: Rik van Riel on Tue, 07 February 2006 03:40
		Re: [PATCH 1/4] Virtualization/containers: introduction By: Sam Vilain on Tue, 07 February 2006 06:30
		Re: [PATCH 1/4] Virtualization/containers: introduction By: dev on Tue, 07 February 2006 11:49
		Re: [PATCH 1/4] Virtualization/containers: introduction By: ebiederm on Tue, 07 February 2006 14:31
		Re: [PATCH 1/4] Virtualization/containers: introduction By: ebiederm on Tue, 07 February 2006 15:42
		Re: [PATCH 1/4] Virtualization/containers: introduction By: dev on Tue, 07 February 2006 16:16
		Re: [PATCH 1/4] Virtualization/containers: introduction By: ebiederm on Tue, 07 February 2006 17:20
		Re: [PATCH 1/4] Virtualization/containers: introduction By: Sam Vilain on Tue, 07 February 2006 22:43
		Re: [PATCH 1/4] Virtualization/containers: introduction By: Hubertus Franke on Tue, 07 February 2006 16:57
		Re: [PATCH 1/4] Virtualization/containers: introduction By: serue on Tue, 07 February 2006 20:19
		Re: [PATCH 1/4] Virtualization/containers: introduction By: Hubertus Franke on Tue, 07 February 2006 20:46
		Re: [PATCH 1/4] Virtualization/containers: introduction By: ebiederm on Tue, 07 February 2006 22:00
		Re: [PATCH 1/4] Virtualization/containers: introduction By: Hubertus Franke on Tue, 07 February 2006 22:19
		The issues for agreeing on a virtualization/namespaces implementation. By: ebiederm on Tue, 07 February 2006 22:06
		Re: The issues for agreeing on a virtualization/namespaces implementation. By: Hubertus Franke on Tue, 07 February 2006 23:35
		Re: The issues for agreeing on a virtualization/namespaces implementation. By: Alexey Kuznetsov on Wed, 08 February 2006 00:43
		Re: The issues for agreeing on a virtualization/namespaces implementation. By: ebiederm on Wed, 08 February 2006 02:49
		Re: The issues for agreeing on a virtualization/namespaces implementation. By: serue on Wed, 08 February 2006 03:36
		Re: The issues for agreeing on a virtualization/namespaces implementation. By: ebiederm on Wed, 08 February 2006 05:23
		Re: The issues for agreeing on a virtualization/namespaces implementation. By: Hubertus Franke on Wed, 08 February 2006 14:40
		Re: The issues for agreeing on a virtualization/namespaces implementation. By: ebiederm on Wed, 08 February 2006 17:46
		Re: The issues for agreeing on a virtualization/namespaces implementation. By: ebiederm on Wed, 08 February 2006 22:28
		Re: The issues for agreeing on a virtualization/namespaces implementation. By: serue on Wed, 08 February 2006 15:17
		Re: The issues for agreeing on a virtualization/namespaces implementation. By: serue on Wed, 08 February 2006 18:03
		Re: The issues for agreeing on a virtualization/namespaces implementation. By: dev on Mon, 20 February 2006 12:08
		Re: The issues for agreeing on a virtualization/namespaces implementation. By: Herbert Poetzl on Mon, 20 February 2006 12:40
		Re: The issues for agreeing on a virtualization/namespaces implementation. By: dev on Mon, 20 February 2006 14:25
		Re: The issues for agreeing on a virtualization/namespaces implementation. By: Herbert Poetzl on Mon, 20 February 2006 15:16
		Re: The issues for agreeing on a virtualization/namespaces implementation. By: Andi Kleen on Mon, 20 February 2006 15:17
		Re: The issues for agreeing on a virtualization/namespaces implementation. By: ebiederm on Wed, 08 February 2006 03:52
		Re: The issues for agreeing on a virtualization/namespaces implementation. By: Herbert Poetzl on Wed, 08 February 2006 04:37
		Re: The issues for agreeing on a virtualization/namespaces implementation. By: ebiederm on Wed, 08 February 2006 04:46
		Re: The issues for agreeing on a virtualization/namespaces implementation. By: Herbert Poetzl on Wed, 08 February 2006 04:56
		Re: The issues for agreeing on a virtualization/namespaces implementation. By: serue on Wed, 08 February 2006 14:38
		Re: The issues for agreeing on a virtualization/namespaces implementation. By: Hubertus Franke on Wed, 08 February 2006 14:51
		Re: The issues for agreeing on a virtualization/namespaces implementation. By: dev on Wed, 08 February 2006 15:34
		Re: The issues for agreeing on a virtualization/namespaces implementation. By: Hubertus Franke on Wed, 08 February 2006 15:57
		Re: The issues for agreeing on a virtualization/namespaces implementation. By: Herbert Poetzl on Wed, 08 February 2006 19:02
		Re: The issues for agreeing on a virtualization/namespaces implementation. By: ebiederm on Wed, 08 February 2006 16:48
		Re: The issues for agreeing on a virtualization/namespaces implementation. By: Hubertus Franke on Wed, 08 February 2006 18:31
		Re: The issues for agreeing on a virtualization/namespaces implementation. By: Dave Hansen on Wed, 08 February 2006 20:21
		Re: The issues for agreeing on a virtualization/namespaces implementation. By: serue on Wed, 08 February 2006 21:22
		Re: The issues for agreeing on a virtualization/namespaces implementation. By: ebiederm on Thu, 09 February 2006 05:41
		Re: The issues for agreeing on a virtualization/namespaces implementation. By: Kyle Moffett on Thu, 09 February 2006 04:45
		Re: The issues for agreeing on a virtualization/namespaces implementation. By: ebiederm on Thu, 09 February 2006 22:25
		Re: [PATCH 1/4] Virtualization/containers: introduction By: Sam Vilain on Tue, 07 February 2006 22:58
		Re: [PATCH 1/4] Virtualization/containers: introduction By: Hubertus Franke on Tue, 07 February 2006 23:18
		Re: [PATCH 1/4] Virtualization/containers: introduction By: ebiederm on Wed, 08 February 2006 05:03
		Re: [PATCH 1/4] Virtualization/containers: introduction By: Hubertus Franke on Wed, 08 February 2006 14:13
		Re: [PATCH 1/4] Virtualization/containers: introduction By: dev on Wed, 08 February 2006 15:42
		Re: [PATCH 1/4] Virtualization/containers: introduction By: ebiederm on Wed, 08 February 2006 16:39
		Re: [PATCH 1/4] Virtualization/containers: introduction By: Kevin Fox on Wed, 08 February 2006 02:08
		Re: [PATCH 1/4] Virtualization/containers: introduction By: dev on Wed, 08 February 2006 15:35
		Re: [PATCH 1/4] Virtualization/containers: introduction By: ebiederm on Wed, 08 February 2006 17:16
		Re: [PATCH 1/4] Virtualization/containers: introduction By: Dave Hansen on Wed, 08 February 2006 20:43
		Re: [PATCH 1/4] Virtualization/containers: introduction By: ebiederm on Wed, 08 February 2006 21:04
		Re: [PATCH 1/4] Virtualization/containers: introduction By: dev on Tue, 07 February 2006 12:12
		Re: [PATCH 1/4] Virtualization/containers: introduction By: ebiederm on Tue, 07 February 2006 14:06
		Re: [PATCH 1/4] Virtualization/containers: introduction By: Rik van Riel on Tue, 07 February 2006 14:52
		Re: [PATCH 1/4] Virtualization/containers: introduction By: ebiederm on Tue, 07 February 2006 15:13
		Re: [PATCH 1/4] Virtualization/containers: introduction By: Sam Vilain on Wed, 08 February 2006 01:16
		Re: [PATCH 1/4] Virtualization/containers: introduction By: Paul Jackson on Wed, 08 February 2006 04:21
		Re: [PATCH 1/4] Virtualization/containers: introduction By: ebiederm on Thu, 09 February 2006 00:24
		Re: [PATCH 1/4] Virtualization/containers: introduction By: Jeff Dike on Thu, 09 February 2006 02:18
		Re: [PATCH 1/4] Virtualization/containers: introduction By: ebiederm on Thu, 09 February 2006 03:16
		Re: [PATCH 1/4] Virtualization/containers: introduction By: Hubertus Franke on Thu, 09 February 2006 16:38
		Re: [PATCH 1/4] Virtualization/containers: introduction By: Jeff Dike on Thu, 09 February 2006 17:47
		Re: [PATCH 1/4] Virtualization/containers: introduction By: Sam Vilain on Thu, 09 February 2006 22:09
		Re: [PATCH 1/4] Virtualization/containers: introduction By: ebiederm on Thu, 09 February 2006 21:56

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