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Re: [patch 2/6] [Network namespace] Network device sharing by view
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description: jamal <hadi@cyberus.ca> writes: > On Wed, 2006-28-06 at 15:36 +0200, Herbert Poetzl wrote: > >> note: personally I'm absolutely not against virtualizing >> the device names so that each guest can have a separate >> name space for devices, but there should be a way to >> 'see' _and_ 'identify' the interfaces from outside >> (i.e. host or spectator context) >> > > Makes sense for the host side to have naming convention tied > to the guest. Example as a prefix: guest0-eth0. Would it not > be interesting to have the host also manage these interfaces > via standard tools like ip or ifconfig etc? i.e if i admin up > guest0-eth0, then the user in guest0 will see its eth0 going > up. > > Anyways, interesting discussion. Please no. We really want the fundamental rule that a network device is tied to a single namespace, and that a socket is tied to a single namespace. If those two conditions are met we don't have to tag packets with a namespace identifier. We only have to modify hash table lookups in the networking code to look at a namespace tag in addition to the rest because that is less expensive than allocating new hash tables. Currently with a network device only being usable in one network namespace we have the situation where we can fairly safely give a guest CAP_NET_ADMIN without problems. In addition currently nothing in the implementation knows about the hierarchical structure of how the network namespace will be used. To allow ifconfig guest0-eth0 to work would require understanding the hierarchical structure and places serious questions on how safe we can make CAP_NET_ADMIN. Now I am open to radically different designs if they allow the implementation cost to be lower and they have clean semantics, and don't wind up being an ugly unmaintainable wart on the linux networking stack. The only route I could imagine such a thing coming from is something like tagging flows, in some netfiler like way. Which might allow ifconfig guest-eth0 from the host without problems. …
creator: ebiederm
date: 2006-06-28T14:39:38-00:00

Re: [patch 2/6] [Network namespace] Network device sharing by view
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description: Eric W. Biederman wrote: >> Makes sense for the host side to have naming convention tied >> to the guest. Example as a prefix: guest0-eth0. Would it not >> be interesting to have the host also manage these interfaces >> via standard tools like ip or ifconfig etc? i.e if i admin up >> guest0-eth0, then the user in guest0 will see its eth0 going >> up. >> > Please no. > [...] > Now I am open to radically different designs if they allow the > implementation cost to be lower and they have clean semantics, > and don't wind up being an ugly unmaintainable wart on the linux > networking stack. The only route I could imagine such a thing coming > from is something like tagging flows, in some netfiler like way. > Which might allow ifconfig guest-eth0 from the host without problems. > But I have not seen such a design. > Right. New tools to support new features would probably be tidier, anyway. Sam.
creator: Sam Vilain
date: 2006-06-30T01:40:58-00:00